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Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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The first two you listed were downranked by the flamewar detector. The last one was downranked by users. Admins didn't touch any of them. Note for everybody: can you guys please include the HN /item link if you're mentioning specific threads? That would be much more efficient and that way I can answer many more of people's questions.

HN ID? I don't see that in the FAQ, maybe it's defined elsewhere? edit: oh duh. thanks all, answer was 'right under my nose'!

Presumably its the id parameter in the URL?

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Looking at the list of removed stories makes me really happy with the moderators here. They're all sensationalist, advertising for some company, clickbait, way off topic, or some combination of above. In fact, I don't see a single story that I personally feel should not have been removed. Thanks, mods.

Props to the mods for keeping the post quality high.

However, I do see a few decent posts in this list that probably warrant a second chance.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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post #158

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The first two you listed were downranked by the flamewar detector. The last one was downranked by users. Admins didn't touch any of them. Note for everybody: can you guys please include the HN /item link if you're mentioning specific threads? That would be much more efficient and that way I can answer many more of people's questions.

HN ID? I don't see that in the FAQ, maybe it's defined elsewhere? edit: oh duh. thanks all, answer was 'right under my nose'!

The url for this page is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39230513 so the id is 39230513

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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At a quick glance, I found several that don't match that criteria you mention, here are a few: Open Source Doesn't Require Providing Builds https://codeengineered.com/blog/2024/open-source-not-builds/ Sam Altman Says AI Using Too Much Energy Will Require Breakthrough Energy Source https://futurism.com/sam-altman-energy-breakthrough Avoid Async Rust at All Cost https://blog.hugpoint.tech/avoid_async_rust.html (Perhaps…

The first two you listed were downranked by the flamewar detector. The last one was downranked by users. Admins didn't touch any of them. Note for everybody: can you guys please include the HN /item link if you're mentioning specific threads? That would be much more efficient and that way I can answer many more of people's questions.

If you have nothing to hide, why not make all story and comment removal history publicly visible, like Wikipedia edits.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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post #158

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The first two you listed were downranked by the flamewar detector. The last one was downranked by users. Admins didn't touch any of them. Note for everybody: can you guys please include the HN /item link if you're mentioning specific threads? That would be much more efficient and that way I can answer many more of people's questions.

HN ID? I don't see that in the FAQ, maybe it's defined elsewhere? edit: oh duh. thanks all, answer was 'right under my nose'!

Most likely in the URL, id=3923

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Stories about COVID controversies are almost certainly getting flagged off the front page by users, not touched by mods. People look at the titles of these stories and think that's all flaggers are going by, but lots of people flag stories based on their experience of what the threads are like, and the threads on COVID controversies are fucking dreadful. I didn't flag (or see) that story, but I would have.

But why must they be dreadful? Genuine question, I am not being obtuse. We should be able as a community to discuss conterversial subjects somehow. I also think this sort of thing invites flag brigades. Or better yet, a small batch of bad actor can easily start brigading and forcefully associate such flamewar expectations with any subject they don't like to drive it off HN. Maybe worth reconsidering how you flag? You…

I don't know why they're dreadful, but they empirically are, and that's the end of the matter for me.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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post #167

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Stories about COVID controversies are almost certainly getting flagged off the front page by users, not touched by mods. People look at the titles of these stories and think that's all flaggers are going by, but lots of people flag stories based on their experience of what the threads are like, and the threads on COVID controversies are fucking dreadful. I didn't flag (or see) that story, but I would have.

> lots of people flag stories based on their experience of what the threads are like IMHO story submissions should be judged based upon their own merits. Toxic commenters can be downvoted/banned but the story submitter shouldn't be punished for the misbehavior of others. > I didn't flag (or see) that story, but I would have. You mean purely based on the expected awfulness of imagined future comments, instead of the a…

It's good to want things! We can just disagree.

There's not enough space on the front page for all the good things we want to read. I'm not interested in expending extra effort to rescue marginal stories with a low likelihood of generating a good conversation. The people most invested in these kinds of stories seem to be almost the least invested in HN's rubric of curious conversation.

I don't call any of the shots around here, but I think I speak for a bunch of different users who flag this way.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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At a quick glance, I found several that don't match that criteria you mention, here are a few: Open Source Doesn't Require Providing Builds https://codeengineered.com/blog/2024/open-source-not-builds/ Sam Altman Says AI Using Too Much Energy Will Require Breakthrough Energy Source https://futurism.com/sam-altman-energy-breakthrough Avoid Async Rust at All Cost https://blog.hugpoint.tech/avoid_async_rust.html (Perhaps…

The first two you listed were downranked by the flamewar detector. The last one was downranked by users. Admins didn't touch any of them. Note for everybody: can you guys please include the HN /item link if you're mentioning specific threads? That would be much more efficient and that way I can answer many more of people's questions.

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Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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post #151

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What these are is evidence of your parent comment's point that this isn't direct moderator action, rather a combination of algorithms and user flags. Most likely, people flagged the Germany story because it has a sensational title and they likely aren't from Germany and so wouldn't have context to know whether it's overblown. I'm confident that Vx.dev got flagged by a bunch of people because they're tired of LLM stor…

I think you're probably generally correct, but "blaming the algorithm" sure smells to me like a whole lot of camouflage for censorship, which we ought to know by now has as much to do with 'quality' as it does 'shaping the narrative' Generally speaking HN is a good site and a case study in successful community moderation, but you have to wonder 'who's watching the watchers' these days as the Overton window on free sp…

The simple solution would be to display a log of all removed/flagged/shadowbanned posts and comments, like Wikipedia does.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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> While I have no reason to doubt Daniel's good faith, it's hard to believe that HN users would be tired of LLM-related news. I am, so you can believe it. But: I don't flag things that I'm tired of.

I will occasionally flag things that will result in discussions that are always the same because I'm tired of them. Stories about tipping at restaurants or Trump or Biden, for example -- literally every argument for or against has been made and there's nothing new or interesting to say. But I'm more likely to hide them.

I would also include the periodic Monty Hall re-post (everything that ever comes up in the discussions can be found in the Monty Hall problem wikipedia page).

And also pretty much any article about inflation.

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