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Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

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Re: Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

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Post by TheGlav »

bdcravens wrote: post #24
throwaway-blaze wrote: post #5

We need a term other than "recall" for minor software changes. The headline makes it sound like 2.2mm vehicles are going to be scheduling service appointments to fix this.

Perhaps, but it's still important to draw attention to mistakes, for transparency and accountability. Additionally, other "recalls" for other car companies may similarly be minor software changes. The only distinguishing factor with Tesla is OTA deployment.

Sure.

When was the last time that a software mistake for Windows or Mac OSX or their Phone made people think they had to take their computer to the computer shop for a session with a technician?

Re: Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

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Post by TheCaptain4815 »

The WSJ frames this software update on the frontpage as:

"Millions of Teslas Recalled Over Latest Safety Fix The affected vehicles will receive an over-the-air software remedy, Tesla said, the latest in a series of setbacks to hit the automaker."

I wonder if the journalists writing that know how much they're "stretching the truth". I imagine a spectrum of truth, a movable gauge. I'd be curious to see where people would place a title such as that given the reality of the "recall". The people writing the titles, owners of teslas, liberals, conservatives, etc.

Re: Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

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Post by callalex »

ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #31
bumby wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article: "The agency [NHTSA] says that the brake, park and anti-lock brake warning lights have a smaller font size than required by federal safety standards."

But does that apply only to touchscreens or is that written before touchscreens?

Can you explain why the input method is relevant?

Re: Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

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Post by callalex »

throwaway-blaze wrote: post #5

We need a term other than "recall" for minor software changes. The headline makes it sound like 2.2mm vehicles are going to be scheduling service appointments to fix this.

The easiest way to stay out of the news for recalls is to not sell a defective product.

If these software recalls are so easy to fix, why isn’t Tesla fixing them before being forced to?

Re: Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

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Post by wvenable »

throwaway-blaze wrote: post #5

We need a term other than "recall" for minor software changes. The headline makes it sound like 2.2mm vehicles are going to be scheduling service appointments to fix this.

Yeah the word "recall" means "a public call by a manufacturer for the return of a product that may be defective or contaminated" or more plainly "a call to return". If you don't have to return the item somewhere then it isn't a "recall" by definition. An over-the-air software update is not a "recall".

The terminology has to change. A "recall" is a typically an inconvenient event for the owners of a product -- this ain't that.

Re: Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

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Post by nickthegreek »

TheGlav wrote: post #41
bdcravens wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps, but it's still important to draw attention to mistakes, for transparency and accountability. Additionally, other "recalls" for other car companies may similarly be minor software changes. The only distinguishing factor with Tesla is OTA deployment.

Sure. When was the last time that a software mistake for Windows or Mac OSX or their Phone made people think they had to take their computer to the computer shop for a session with a technician?

When was the last time those things weighted over 2tons and were barreling down public roads? How is that even slightly relevant.

Re: Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

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Post by quonn »

josefresco wrote: post #37
xeromal wrote: post #4

At this point I swear publishing stories on Tesla "recalls" are hit pieces. God forbid your car gets an update that takes 15 minutes OTA

> At this point I swear publishing stories on Tesla "recalls" are hit pieces Normally I would agree, but this is the NYPost which is pretty friendly to conservatives(1). Maybe they attack Tesla because it's "green" tech but defend Elon in the context of Tesla/SpaceX? Just a guess as I'm not a regular reader. 1: https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart

Most likely they just want clicks.

Re: Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

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Post by wvenable »

bdcravens wrote: post #24
throwaway-blaze wrote: post #5

We need a term other than "recall" for minor software changes. The headline makes it sound like 2.2mm vehicles are going to be scheduling service appointments to fix this.

Perhaps, but it's still important to draw attention to mistakes, for transparency and accountability. Additionally, other "recalls" for other car companies may similarly be minor software changes. The only distinguishing factor with Tesla is OTA deployment.

> The only distinguishing factor with Tesla is OTA deployment.

Yet that's the most important factor when calling it a "recall".

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