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'Stupid,' 'shameful:' Tech workers on Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan's rant

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Before Elon, posts on Twitter were sorted and hidden at the whim of engagement-maximizing algorithm. After Elon, the same is the case, maybe with the same tweak to the algorithm. I thought the idea that timeline sorting order on social media sites is deterministic or scrutable to the viewer is long dead by now - it's not been the case for at least a good decade now!

While that's true, the thing where ~all bluetick replies are promoted above ~all normal replies is a post-Musk 'innovation'. Stupid idea; there's 25 years of experience showing that pay-for-attention is corrosive to social sites (dating/hookup sites have been trying to make it work basically forever, and have generally ended up having to ration it).

The point remains that Pre and Post Musk Twitter are NO different when it comes to inflammatory tweets.

The players and ordering has changed only.

Re: 'Stupid,' 'shameful:' Tech workers on Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan's rant

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I am not a lawyer, but if some deranged individual who follows him takes his comment and face value and murders someone, he will face many consequences. Firstly, he would be involved on murder. That's not a great experience to have, for most people. He would at least be on trial. I don't exactly know how incitement to murder is treated in the US. It could even be considered domestic terrorism (an assassination made t…

Lawyers and judges have already been consulted and concluded that no crime was committed. https://missionlocal.org/2024/01/y-combinator-ceo-garry-tans... This would not change ex post facto because of someone else's actions. In the US, what he did said is disgusting but legally protected free speech. It's conceivable that he could be opened up to a civil lawsuit, but that's about it.

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Re: 'Stupid,' 'shameful:' Tech workers on Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan's rant

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I had no idea who Dan Preston was until Tan complained about him, but given > In 2022, Preston proposed a ballot measure to tax vacant housing in San Francisco. I think I might just love the guy. Thanks for the awareness campaign Garry!

Dan Preston is a NIMBY dressed in wolves clothes. Like most progressive agendas in SF they do very little to actually secure more housing. They make for great tag lines to pull support in and NOTHING changes.

Re: 'Stupid,' 'shameful:' Tech workers on Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan's rant

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Ruins market mechanisms too much. Taxing vacancies doesn't ruin the supply and demand equations.

it unfairly punishes property owners in soft rental markets like the one we have now. i’ve seen an unusual number of multifamily properties listed all over SF last few months.

as a lifelong tenant, i think it's time that the property owners got punished instead of renters. those poor property owners, what happens if we don't look after them?

Re: 'Stupid,' 'shameful:' Tech workers on Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan's rant

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post #340

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> A lot of people could do with hardening up a bit. How often have I heard that from bullies who shit themselves, whine and go running to mommy as soon as they get a little of what they give? You actually mean "shut up, roll over and passively accept abuse." Anyone who hardened-up, as in speaking their honest feeling and the truth about this sort of bully would be banned from here in 5 seconds! We don't have the opti…

Pursuing intellectual curiosity involves tolerating ideas or language or phrasing you don't like. The world is messy. Gary hasn't bullied or abused anyone. That is where the line is. The real answer is here is Gary could have phrased his words better and he would have been more effective in communicating his message. That's it.

> Gary hasn't bullied or abused anyone

Let's say he hasn't. So what's at issue? Because this bothers me if I am to continue to participate in HN.

Pursuing intellectual curiosity involves tolerance, yes, and forgiveness. And seeing a little of the other in yourself, and you in them.

You know, I wouldn't presume to say anything about a person I don't know, or to psychologise too much on an individual. There's a parallel universe where I'd meet Mr Tan and enjoy some beers, we'd talk about tech, and maybe after a few we'd get all 'blokey' start comparing our lists of people who should die horribly. That's all human enough. And I come from a background that makes me not ashamed to be in touch with my own disdain, violence, unacceptable sides and masculine toxicity.

We all say cringe things we wish we could take back from time to time. Shame is a good teacher if we don't leave that unexamined etc.

I'm not "outraged" (the only emotion 21st century people feel) at Tan for slipping up and going a bit gangsta, channelling his inner 2Pac or whatever. Who doesn't? I've no doubt some of those Californian politicians are infuriating and cut from the same cloth as the poor shower we have over here.

I'm disappointed because of how that reflects on me, on other hackers and the real tech community - you know, us grunts who actually think up and build all the stuff.

He's not quite young enough to be my son. But if he were, I'd have to say "Gary, why are you hanging out with these losers? People who claim to represent utopian technological ideas, but are massively stunted as human beings? Tech billionaire trash who are actually a lot less smart and well educated than they think. They're insecure, inauthentic, cloistered, frightened of dying, doing far more drugs than is good for anyone, and hell-bent on imposing technological terror upon the world we haven't seen since the Third Reich.

Please find some nicer friends."

And what I'd hope to hear is like; "Yes I'm sorry to let the community down. I feel a lot of anger and frustration at the world. I realise my worldview is parochial. I see that I'm in a group whose ideas are not universal, whatever our "progressive" good intentions. Maybe I can temper myself in a way that's more congruent with the money, power and consequent responsibility to others' I carry."

Re: 'Stupid,' 'shameful:' Tech workers on Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan's rant

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post #191

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Yeah that’s not true there’s plenty of half empty apartments all over soma and mission bay

And a vacancy tax would force developers to finish projects or abandon them completely so someone else can at a lower price. If it’s set where it’s cheaper to hang onto the vacancy until rents rise again and finish the build then, it’s a problem.

> And a vacancy tax would force developers to finish projects or abandon them completely so someone else can at a lower price.

i tend to favor vacancy tax, but this won't fix the problem with developers. SF needs to reform their review process. this is TLDR but there was a big study about this: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/25/us/san-francisco-housing....

it's already incredibly expensive for a developer to even go through the review process for a development, let alone build it. a vacancy tax would further deter developers from building in SF (as it's already happening due to the terrible review process)

Re: 'Stupid,' 'shameful:' Tech workers on Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan's rant

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Lawyers and judges have already been consulted and concluded that no crime was committed. https://missionlocal.org/2024/01/y-combinator-ceo-garry-tans... This would not change ex post facto because of someone else's actions. In the US, what he did said is disgusting but legally protected free speech. It's conceivable that he could be opened up to a civil lawsuit, but that's about it.

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The US has a long history of "stochastic terrorism", which seems to be at a relative low compared to the violence of the early 1900s, the 1960s, and several other periods etc. I have faith in its institutional ability to handle and restrain actual violence.

I am much more concerned about the normalization of the idea that we should restrict free speech. I suppose this isn't too shocking - the Alien and Sedition Acts were passed after what we would now call many instances of "stochastic terrorism" in the newspapers - but I'd hoped we'd learned our lesson and permanently repudiated these ideas.

Re: 'Stupid,' 'shameful:' Tech workers on Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan's rant

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I had no idea who Dan Preston was until Tan complained about him, but given > In 2022, Preston proposed a ballot measure to tax vacant housing in San Francisco. I think I might just love the guy. Thanks for the awareness campaign Garry!

Preston used to represent me before redistricting happened.

His office is accessible and he very clearly cares about the work he is doing. I often see him walking to work and talking to constituents along the way.

The demonization of the man is shocking…

Re: 'Stupid,' 'shameful:' Tech workers on Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan's rant

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A death threat by one of the richest persons = A small transgression when they apologise after the fact Seriously?

If I say to you "die slow", would you read it as me threatening to murder you?

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Re: 'Stupid,' 'shameful:' Tech workers on Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan's rant

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Related yesterday discussion: Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan's online rant spurs threats to supes, police reports https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39205676

That thread was nuked from the front page after ~1 hour.
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