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Higher vehicle hoods significantly increase pedestrian deaths, study finds

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Re: Higher vehicle hoods significantly increase pedestrian deaths, study finds

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Post by CRConrad »

aidenn0 wrote: post #81
alistairSH wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are WAY more trucks/SUVs out there than 3-child households. And I'm not sure what you mean by "wagons don't meet emissions requirements" - wagons would meet the same regulations as sedans.

Wagons are heavier and less aerodynamic than sedans. When coupled with the same engine they are less fuel efficient (compare the E450 sedan to wagon). The fact that they are heavier and sell poorly means they will only usually be available with the large(r,st) engine (no E350 wagon in the US). Note that I used the Mercedes because it's the only non-compact wagon I'm aware of for sale in the US.

> Wagons are [...] less aerodynamic than sedans.

* Wunibald Kamm has entered the chat.

Re: Higher vehicle hoods significantly increase pedestrian deaths, study finds

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Post by CRConrad »

rhuru wrote: post #157
baggachipz wrote: post #6

Yeah but the drivers get to cosplay as Rugged Men™. The only thing that'll reverse the trend and stop this from getting worse will be government regulation. Then come the cries of "Now they're taking our trucks!"

Common sense is the first casualty when any topic has political bias to it. This comment demonstrates that. Large vehicles are important part of American economy and mostly driven by blue collar workers doing their work. For example things like plumbing, construction site work etc. Now a days environment scientists and engineers too drive these large vehicles as they are very important for their day to day work. Not…

> Large vehicles are important part of American economy and mostly driven by blue collar workers doing their work. For example things like plumbing, construction site work etc.

So explain the difference between the twentieth century (and the first few years of the twentyfirst), when trucks were an exception and cars were the norm, and now. Are you saying there were almost no plumbers and construction workers around then, or that almost everyone is a plumber or construction worker now?

Re: Higher vehicle hoods significantly increase pedestrian deaths, study finds

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Post by CRConrad »

toast0 wrote: post #187
mlinhares wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is an incentives game, Americans have much more land and money to pay for expensive development (like suburbs) that just do not make financial sense in the EU or Asia in general, as they either lack land or it would be too expensive to pay for the infrastructure needed to make it all work. I also haven't met an American that has been to a high quality of life and walkable city in the EU and didn't come b…

Suburbia is expensive in some ways, but suburbs are often built as a less expensive place to live or at least less expensive for a given size. Of course, it's often hard to find a studio apartment in the suburbs and it's hard to find a single story detached home in the city, so it's comparing different kinds of apples; they're comparable but not fungible. I had a very nice visit to Paris and London for business many…

> it's hard to find a single story detached home in the city

Newsflash, this just in: Kids can actually grow up living in an apartment in a multi-story building. Researchers have found that single-family single-story detached housing is not required.

Re: Higher vehicle hoods significantly increase pedestrian deaths, study finds

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Post by CRConrad »

u32480932048 wrote: post #138
Swizec wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> is the difference expensive equipment vs human lives? The difference is in safety margins. You really shouldn't drive a vehicle to within 2cm of any object on public streets. Not even while parking. 0.5m (2ft) is about the closest you should ever drive your car to anything really. Whereas for a tractor getting within 2cm is normal operating procedure. You won't be able to grab a 500kg (1100lb) attachment and drag i…

> Not even while parking. 0.5m (2ft) is about the closest you should ever drive your car to anything really. I've lived in several US states and the law has always been to park less than a foot from the curb.

> > drive

> park

Do those look like the same word to you? They look like different words to me.

Re: Higher vehicle hoods significantly increase pedestrian deaths, study finds

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Post by CRConrad »

u32480932048 wrote: post #139
iknowstuff wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) It seems you are confusing crumple zones (which the ct definitely has lol) with cushioning the impact for a pedestrian. 2) sure, but the only research we have says higher hood = much more deadly. Cybertruck has a lower hood with a better angle. So why single it out when the jury is out on what’s more important for safety

Cybertruck Man Bad.

You probably thought you were being Edgelord-cool-sarcastic, but yes, he is.

Re: Higher vehicle hoods significantly increase pedestrian deaths, study finds

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Post by CRConrad »

stjuma wrote: post #331

Large trucks are safer in intra-vehicle collisions. Imagine RAM vs sedan or average SUV. It’s completely rational to purchase the largest car you can afford, as long as you’re concerned about the safety of your family and yourself

> as long as you’re

ONLY

> concerned about the safety of your family and yourself

.

There, FTFY.

And yeah, most people are only concerned about that.

That's why regulation is needed, for the common good.

Re: Higher vehicle hoods significantly increase pedestrian deaths, study finds

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Post by closewith »

CRConrad wrote: post #350
closewith wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Minivans, at least in my market, are more or less double the price of crossovers, so they're not like-for-like. You're very dismissive in your comments here. I wonder if some self reflection is in order here.

> I wonder if some self reflection is in order here. I guess he will. Mean while, how about the same from you?

Yikes, having read your comments, I think there's some irony here.

Re: Higher vehicle hoods significantly increase pedestrian deaths, study finds

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Post by danaris »

CRConrad wrote: post #341
danaris wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you miss the part where I pointed out that excessive size is not an inherent property of SUVs?

Did you miss the part where that's exactly the main problem with them that pretty much everyone else here is talking about, i.e. what this discussion is (mainly) about?

....which means that if you want to do something about excessively-large vehicles, saying you want to do something about SUVs is useless.
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