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Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Re: Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Post by notatoad »

zmmmmm wrote: post #200
gregable wrote: post #175

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That's not quite correct. As far as I can tell, +1'ing things does not appear in your stream and won't appear in the streams of the folks who are following you. Sharing does, but not +1'ing. +1'ing does appear on your profile under the +1 tab if 1) someone navigates over there and 2) you have made that tab visible to that person (you can control who can see that tab). If someone visits the object that you +1'ed, then…

There's a major issue of clarity here though. It doesn't matter what really happens, if the user is unsure they'll opt for not doing it . The only thing I remember for sure about +1 was that Google made me hyper aware that my +1's were public. Which is why I almost never +1 anything except those that reflect well on me professionally (ie. it's about projecting an image of myself, nothing to do with what I actually li…

how was the user sure what happened before? with the old system, you were thumbs-upping a video from your google account. your thumbs ups were probably visible somewhere on youtube, and the things that you thumbed up were reported back to google and probably influenced your search results.

now, you're +1ing a video from your google account. your +1s are visible somewhere in google+ and are reported back to google and influence your search results.

it's the exact same thing, the button just looks different.

Re: Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Post by notatoad »

VikingCoder wrote: post #125
moskie wrote: post #92

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But there's a third option, and it's the one Wheaton is complaining is no longer there. Instead of there being a way to "like" this thing on an external social network (like G+ or Facebook), what about just "liking" it on a system that exists only on the site itself (in this case, on YouTube)? Then after that, how about a system to Share the item? This doesn't really exist on the web, but the Sharing system on Androi…

If you're not logged in, then it's a completely meaningless "like." It can be easily spammed, you can't find it again just by knowing you liked it, your Followers have no idea you liked it. It's about as valuable as those old CGI "000000017 people have viewed this page!" And there's a great way to share the item - use the URL. Google is really aggressive about making sure that its web pages, even though they feel lik…

i don't know where this misconception is coming from, but you could never like something on youtube without first logging in. you have always had to be logged in to your google account in order to give a thumbs up.

Re: Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Post by nns1212 »

It is just being paranoid by Viddy & Socialcam funding.

Both the apps (and Dailymotion) are deeply integrated with the FB timeline and hence getting a lot of views because of it.

People will laugh if they integrated Youtube with FB timeline. So, I think it was in their best interest to integrate it with Google+.

So, either Google+ wins or Youtube loses. I believe that most likely the latter will come true because of this move.

I think Google should buy social networks like Pinterest, Viddy or Socialcam (and leaving them they way they are) instead of ruining its own products by integrating them with Google+.

Facebook acquired Instagram in spite of it being integrated with Twitter. Google should also play the same game.

Re: Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Post by kaonashi »

javajosh wrote: post #53

Google thinks it will die in the long run without social. They realize that all the tech-savvy software product in the world can be reproduced eventually, but secondary, human-savvy products, can never be reproduced. Furthermore, they see the power in adding ever more context to search - see Bret Victor's talk about how 'interaction' is bad, and inferring context is everything. There's no better context than social.…

Social is not a noun.

Re: Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Post by fusiongyro »

anigbrowl wrote: post #217
fusiongyro wrote: post #208

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> [citation needed] Lubujackson's entire point is that we don't know what the consequences will be .

Ignorance is a poor excuse for inaction.

It would be, except we're talking about prognostication, not some testable attribute of reality. We all continue to exist equally ignorant of what will happen tomorrow.

Re: Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Post by zmmmmm »

notatoad wrote: post #221
zmmmmm wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a major issue of clarity here though. It doesn't matter what really happens, if the user is unsure they'll opt for not doing it . The only thing I remember for sure about +1 was that Google made me hyper aware that my +1's were public. Which is why I almost never +1 anything except those that reflect well on me professionally (ie. it's about projecting an image of myself, nothing to do with what I actually li…

how was the user sure what happened before? with the old system, you were thumbs-upping a video from your google account. your thumbs ups were probably visible somewhere on youtube, and the things that you thumbed up were reported back to google and probably influenced your search results. now, you're +1ing a video from your google account. your +1s are visible somewhere in google+ and are reported back to google and…

> it's the exact same thing, the button just looks different.

For me, a crucial difference is that Google+ is linked publicly to my real name, while YouTube was always confined to a pseudonym.

Re: Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Post by DavidAbrams »

VikingCoder wrote: post #123

> It is bad for viewers, bad for video creators, and bad for YouTube’s ability to curate and tailor videos to potential viewers. First, a question: any random person on the internet, without being logged in, used to be able to Thumb Up a YouTube video? If that's true, then I bet it was very easy to spam. Giving it a Thumb Up, without being logged in, would also mean that none of your friends had any idea that you had…

There's a big difference between being "logged into" YouTube and signing up for Google+.

This just completes Googles utter failure with Google Video and YouTube. They never understood why Google Video failed, and YouTube remains a steaming pile of shit under Google's ownership. And it's getting worse.

Re: Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Post by DavidAbrams »

VikingCoder wrote: post #188
lubujackson wrote: post #150

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Big difference between upvoting a video on YouTube for other people on YouTube and giving a +1 to a video that could possibly go on your Google+ wall (if that even exists), influence your search results in ways you don't want, or show up awkwardly in other strange ways while using other Google products like Gmail. The real problem is the effects are unknown and upvoting is no longer a contained action with a specific…

> giving a +1 to a video that could possibly go on your Google+ wall (if that even exists) It does not exist. You can specifically Share a video with Circles. > influence your search results in ways you don't want, In the upper right on your Search page, you can click "Hide personal results." > or show up awkwardly in other strange ways while using other Google products like Gmail [citation needed] > The real problem…

Nobody should work this hard to get around offensive policies, or work this hard to excuse them.

Re: Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Post by DavidAbrams »

beedogs wrote: post #206
VikingCoder wrote: post #192

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> Technically, "Anonymous Likes" aren't really susceptible to spamming [Citation Needed] Should content show up higher in Google Search Results, if it is more Liked? By whatever system of Likes you care to design... I say "yes." That makes the "Anonymous Like" system a clear target for Search Engine Optimization. People have to pay for ads. If it turns out that the Conversion numbers for a set of search words are lou…

Just an FYI, your posting style is pretty obnoxious.

And pathetic. But that's the norm when you're dealing with apologists for bad behavior and bad design. Instead of learning something, they continue to childishly defend the discredited entity.

Re: Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Post by DavidAbrams »

rmc wrote: post #143
nostromo wrote: post #141

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Facebook isn't so dumb that they haven't seen YouTube as Google's trojan horse for a long time. Facebook has had a video platform since 2007 -- it just hasn't taken off. > I miss the days when Google, Apple, and Facebook cooperated rather than squabbled. I don't; competition is good.

It's funny to think that Google Video didn't take off, and Google had to buy YouTube. Now YouTube is not available for purchase by Facebook. This is interested with the instagram purchase.

Google Video didn't take off because of branding failure. Google is not something that people contribute to; it aggregates things that are already out there. Google Video was perceived as a search engine for video, not as a user-content site.

So instead of simply correcting that failure, Google paid $1.6 billion for something it already had.

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