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'Stupid,' 'shameful:' Tech workers on Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan's rant

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Re: 'Stupid,' 'shameful:' Tech workers on Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan's rant

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Post by s_dev »

tempestn wrote: post #257

I'm a little bit aghast at all the comments saying this is normal or no big deal. Maybe it is normal (or at least common), but it shouldn't be. If you believe it's no big deal, I can't agree. I can see this kind of behaviour from adolescents, but adults should understand that words are meaningful and have consequences, and that even if you disagree with someone, they're still a human being who deserves some modicum o…

>but adults should understand that words are meaningful and have consequences

What consequences should Gary face?

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Post by iSnow »

cj wrote: post #44

As a YC alum who worked with Gary Tan directly, this is… odd. Anyone who knows Gary knows he’s a (relatively) gentle human being. I can’t imagine him hurting a fly. His tweets seem totally out of character compared to the Gary Tan I personally knew. Maybe he has changed? I’m inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Alcohol disinhibits and makes people show sides they usually suppress. He probably has pent-up anger and let it all out in that tweet. I guess he's neither fully the person you know nor the person from that tweet, but both are part of the "real him"

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Post by littlestymaar »

dspillett wrote: post #289
littlestymaar wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's immature and poor judgement Which is enough to make him unfit for the position at YC and justifies his resignation. Walmart cashiers are being fired everyday for things like immaturity and poor judgment, why should YC CEO be held under lower behavior standards than blue collar workers?!

To put it in a bit more context: this was out-of-hours, and those Walmart cashiers shouldn't be sacked for immaturity and poor judgement in their personal lives if their work is life is up to scratch. I know it is more complicated than that when your actions have wider reach, especially for someone as high up as a CEO, but for all of us these days with ubiquitous social media potentially giving us all more reach, as…

> this was out-of-hours

There's no out-of-hours for CEO. He was using is official Twitter account to make a public statement, that's a work-related mistake. (It's not like he used some anonymous account to troll on some subreddit)

> Walmart cashiers shouldn't be sacked for immaturity and poor judgement in their personal lives if their work is life is up to scratch.

I don't know if they should, but they definitely are. Musk's obsession with his employees drug use out of work is an example (and also an example of double standards between CEOs and blue collar workers).

Re: 'Stupid,' 'shameful:' Tech workers on Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan's rant

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Post by dandare »

frinxor wrote: post #210
hughesjj wrote: post #52

I had no idea who Dan Preston was until Tan complained about him, but given > In 2022, Preston proposed a ballot measure to tax vacant housing in San Francisco. I think I might just love the guy. Thanks for the awareness campaign Garry!

https://growsf.org/dumpdean/

This is a campaign website done very well! I wish more websites were this informative.

Re: 'Stupid,' 'shameful:' Tech workers on Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan's rant

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Post by iSnow »

willvarfar wrote: post #208
tempsy wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure how anyone can say this when he’s notorious for blocking thousands and thousands of people on Twitter/X for the smallest perceived critique, including people who have never interacted with him at all because they engaged with some tweet he didn’t like The only kind of person who’d ever go that far is someone with a very fragile ego

So he sees someone interacting with some other tweet in a way he doesn't like, and then blocks them from following him? Having not used twitter, is this easy one-click thing that takes no time nor thought, or is he having to switch screens and spend time on doing this? (Technically I became a twit yesterday because nitter stopped working and there is just one person's posts that I like to check up on, so I ended up g…

It's like two clicks/taps. But still, it is telling if you block most everyone who engages in a way you don't approve

Re: 'Stupid,' 'shameful:' Tech workers on Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan's rant

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Post by cqqxo4zV46cp »

littlestymaar wrote: post #293
dspillett wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To put it in a bit more context: this was out-of-hours, and those Walmart cashiers shouldn't be sacked for immaturity and poor judgement in their personal lives if their work is life is up to scratch. I know it is more complicated than that when your actions have wider reach, especially for someone as high up as a CEO, but for all of us these days with ubiquitous social media potentially giving us all more reach, as…

> this was out-of-hours There's no out-of-hours for CEO. He was using is official Twitter account to make a public statement, that's a work-related mistake. (It's not like he used some anonymous account to troll on some subreddit) > Walmart cashiers shouldn't be sacked for immaturity and poor judgement in their personal lives if their work is life is up to scratch. I don't know if they should, but they definitely are…

I agree that this guy is a tosser. I’m always first in line to give a fatcat tech bro what for. But you’re completely barking up the wrong tree with this tribalist argument. You’re holding him to a standard that you at least in part don’t believe in, but are simply saying “an eye for an eye!” when he wasn’t even the one responsible for taking the first eye. Chill.

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Post by chiefalchemist »

littlestymaar wrote: post #284
tedk-42 wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's paraphrased 2pac is his alcohol fuelled moment "Fuck Mobb Deep, fuck Biggie Fuck Bad Boy as a staff, record label and as a motherfuckin' crew And if you want to be down with Bad Bo, then fuck you too Chino XL, fuck you too All you motherfuckers, fuck you too (take money, take money) All of y'all motherfuckers, fuck you, die slow, motherfucker" It's immature and poor judgement but he's apologised for it so I don'…

> It's immature and poor judgement Which is enough to make him unfit for the position at YC and justifies his resignation. Walmart cashiers are being fired everyday for things like immaturity and poor judgment, why should YC CEO be held under lower behavior standards than blue collar workers?!

Note: This is a general comment and not intended forgive or incriminate anyone.

Perhaps. The thing is, if we only look for leaders who have never erred (read: never fallen and gotten up) we end up with (for example) our "representatives" in Washington DC. That is, generally spineless, middle of the road, etc. The word beige comes to mind. That is, we end up with "leaders" without the toolbox of experiences necessary for effective leadership.

Humans? Humans *by definition* make mistakes. Sure some are worse than others. Some demand some mistakes be paid for (in a number of socially acceptable ways). That said, one (rant) is not a pattern.

The question is: What are our collective priorities? Human leaders capable of leading humans? Or perfection which effectively translates to no edges, risk adverse, and ultimately flacid and unfollowable?

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Post by sureglymop »

mjhay wrote: post #26

IMO, it is bad to threaten people with painful deaths. Apparently that is a controversial opinion within this community.

Also: even if we completely left out the actual contents of this tweet.

Then we are still left with an adult (who happens to be a CEO) who thought that it would be a rational thing to tweet that and couldn't predict the outcome of it.

I would have expected that to be almost worse to people here. And no, alcohol is not an excuse for that. Drinking enough not to be able to rationally think about whether that is a good idea anymore is a confirmation of it.

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Post by dns_snek »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #264
nostrademons wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't need an LLM for that (except maybe to get funding), a plain old classifier would work fine at a fraction of the training & inference costs.

Well you're not going to be able to charge them a lot of money without claiming LLM and you won't get funding, so gotta think about the big picture.

Don't worry, you can say something vague like "it's powered by LLM" which could reasonably mean that the LLM was used during the training phase of your own classifier.

Re: 'Stupid,' 'shameful:' Tech workers on Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan's rant

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Post by HKH2 »

tempsy wrote: post #136
jncfhnb wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? What’s wrong with blocking strangers you deem annoying?

He expects everyone else to take heat from him but can’t handle the tiniest bit of criticism direct at him It’s a bit rich

So block him?
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