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Re: US designates more Chinese tech companies as military collaborators

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Post by fnordpiglet »

twojobsoneboss wrote: post #9

The fact that TikTok is still allowed to run amok when the PRC has their hands all over it and also shows completely different content to Chinese users is the greatest irony and crime here

The divide is largely due to the fact the Chinese government has regulations about the quality and kind of social media content platforms are allowed to distribute, including emphasizing educational content for kids etc. Possibly other nefarious reasons you allude to, but those content standard regulations are sufficient enough to explain why Chinese content is segregated - they literally can’t share the same content selection inside China, so otherwise would have to conform to Chinese regulations outside China as well. Those regulations would make TikTok much less profitable outside China, and they’re not required to do absolutely anything to “improve” the content quality outside China, so they naturally optimize towards engagement and stickiness. That incentive is shared by all social media companies, and is why the Chinese regulations exist to begin with - because what’s engaging and sticky is likely really the absolute worst crap ever.

Re: US designates more Chinese tech companies as military collaborators

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Post by autoexec »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #51
twojobsoneboss wrote: post #9

The fact that TikTok is still allowed to run amok when the PRC has their hands all over it and also shows completely different content to Chinese users is the greatest irony and crime here

The divide is largely due to the fact the Chinese government has regulations about the quality and kind of social media content platforms are allowed to distribute, including emphasizing educational content for kids etc. Possibly other nefarious reasons you allude to, but those content standard regulations are sufficient enough to explain why Chinese content is segregated - they literally can’t share the same content…

> because what’s engaging and sticky is likely really the absolute worst crap ever

I looked up the most popular/viewed youtube channels not long ago and it was either corporate advertising (music mainly) or largely trash. Out of all the great content on youtube what rises to the top seems to be ads and garbage.

Re: US designates more Chinese tech companies as military collaborators

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Post by autoexec »

Wingman4l7 wrote: post #23
krapp wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every American social media company is a front for NSA surveillance and CIA propaganda, what's your point? I thought we were supposed to believe in free markets and competition around here.

Alternatives that exist openly in the US would not be suffered to exist in the PRC -- for instance, Signal.

Signal isn't exactly trustworthy here either. Signal still likes to brag about the times when they told the government they couldn't hand over the data the feds wanted because they never collect/store it in the first place, but a long time ago they started collecting and permanently storing in the cloud exactly that same data. Worse, they refuse to update their privacy policy to reflect what they've started doing, meaning that the very first sentence of that policy is an outright lie. Personally, I take that as a massive dead canary and assume that signal has been completely compromised.

There are alternatives out there which I hope still deliver on the promise of allowing secure communications, and we're free to roll our own, but I strongly suspect that the US gov will move in on anything that gains enough of a following.

I think that we're still far better off than the Chinese, but we're not as free as we pretend that we are.

Re: US designates more Chinese tech companies as military collaborators

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Post by autoexec »

thiago_fm wrote: post #46
living_room_pc wrote: post #40

Is it just me, or does it feel like there are some strange comments in this thread. Like responses to comments that add nothing but trying to shut down conversations... Patriots I guess

Totally. Seeing this conflict from an outsider perspective (not American nor Chinese), makes me puke. US has been killing and plaguing millions of people with their crappy social networks, with depression and draining their attention, using it to monitor and spread American "democratic" values around the world. Now that China has 01 social network that is successful (nowhere as close as the ones owned by Meta tho), A…

I agree that it's kind of silly to worry about social media platforms, but microchips, drones, routers, cameras, etc are another story. It'd be a good thing for the US to try and be less dependent on China and their environmentally disastrous manufacturing and their slave labor for everything we own, especially when it comes to things that could be sensitive. If the Department of Defense wasn't looking at the companies in China we depend on and considering the impacts that could have to our security they wouldn't be doing their job.

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Post by bllguo »

whythre wrote: post #42
krapp wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, I see little difference between the PRC and USA in this regard. As an American, I couldn't care less about Chinese surveillance. But my own government has an active interest in monitoring my politics for thoughtcrime and influencing my thoughts and actions. Making a moral panic only about the foreign platform seems, itself, like propaganda.

Seems like you are overly concerned with the devil you know while ignoring the threat of the devil you don’t. If you think the US government isn’t your friend, well… you are right. But if you are an American, the PRC is your enemy. They actually want bad things to happen to the citizens of the US. And they have the leverage to cause some of those things to happen.

oh please, spare us. Do tell what china has done to the US citizenry. Consider that you're attempting revolutions, surrounding them with military bases, arming separatists, and instigating trade wars. Your government hates the Chinese people. Don't project your vile tendencies onto others.

Re: US designates more Chinese tech companies as military collaborators

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Post by biotopia »

captaincaveman wrote: post #48
biotopia wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taiwan has its own MILITARY FORCE, government, rule of law, economy, alliances for 70 years now. It is de facto an independent country. Unless someone brings that tired argument of Taiwan claims China as its own - no, China threatened to invade if Taiwan relinquishes that claim. And no, just because China forces other countries to not recognize Taiwan as a country, doesn't make it so. (if anything, most countries are…

Yes they do, and like I said, think they should be left to get on with things on their own. However they are a break away geopolitical state that was only enabled to do so, by support from US to protect them, if the US hadn't enabled them the CCP would of invaded many many decades ago. You can brush this inconvenient fact under the carpet, but it's not a simple and clear cut as you make out. Both sides taking the ext…

Taiwan WAS a break away state 70 years ago that is an independent country FOR THE LAST 70 years. doesn't matter which ally (US, Japan, whoever) Taiwan had, it is operating as an independent country.

If China attacks Taiwan, they are attacking another country. Just like Russia attacking Ukraine. Doesn't matter what psychobabble a dictator spouts.

Re: US designates more Chinese tech companies as military collaborators

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Post by rangestransform »

bllguo wrote: post #55
whythre wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like you are overly concerned with the devil you know while ignoring the threat of the devil you don’t. If you think the US government isn’t your friend, well… you are right. But if you are an American, the PRC is your enemy. They actually want bad things to happen to the citizens of the US. And they have the leverage to cause some of those things to happen.

oh please, spare us. Do tell what china has done to the US citizenry. Consider that you're attempting revolutions, surrounding them with military bases, arming separatists, and instigating trade wars. Your government hates the Chinese people. Don't project your vile tendencies onto others.

No matter the morality of the government’s actions, I would rather be on the side of the biggest guns and do what I can to undermine the size of the other guy’s guns, unless the other guy offers me a better life

Re: US designates more Chinese tech companies as military collaborators

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Post by bllguo »

rangestransform wrote: post #58
bllguo wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

oh please, spare us. Do tell what china has done to the US citizenry. Consider that you're attempting revolutions, surrounding them with military bases, arming separatists, and instigating trade wars. Your government hates the Chinese people. Don't project your vile tendencies onto others.

No matter the morality of the government’s actions, I would rather be on the side of the biggest guns and do what I can to undermine the size of the other guy’s guns, unless the other guy offers me a better life

then admit that instead of fearmongering and promoting actively harmful sinophobic views. it's the blind and naive i am taking issue with, not the geopolitical realists. even if i disagree with both

Re: US designates more Chinese tech companies as military collaborators

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Post by hgh568fn548 »

Caligatio wrote: post #41
krapp wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, I see little difference between the PRC and USA in this regard. As an American, I couldn't care less about Chinese surveillance. But my own government has an active interest in monitoring my politics for thoughtcrime and influencing my thoughts and actions. Making a moral panic only about the foreign platform seems, itself, like propaganda.

Having a foreign government covertly influence your thoughts and actions should be of concern. It's one thing to have your thoughts and actions be changed by a logical process; it's a whole other concern when an agonistic foreign power is expending non-trivial amounts of resources to bend your opinion. This isn't mutually exclusive to being concerned about the US government actions in this space but the risks are com…

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