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US designates more Chinese tech companies as military collaborators

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Re: US designates more Chinese tech companies as military collaborators

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Post by Caligatio »

krapp wrote: post #24
Wingman4l7 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alternatives that exist openly in the US would not be suffered to exist in the PRC -- for instance, Signal.

Again, I see little difference between the PRC and USA in this regard. As an American, I couldn't care less about Chinese surveillance. But my own government has an active interest in monitoring my politics for thoughtcrime and influencing my thoughts and actions. Making a moral panic only about the foreign platform seems, itself, like propaganda.

Having a foreign government covertly influence your thoughts and actions should be of concern. It's one thing to have your thoughts and actions be changed by a logical process; it's a whole other concern when an agonistic foreign power is expending non-trivial amounts of resources to bend your opinion.

This isn't mutually exclusive to being concerned about the US government actions in this space but the risks are completely different.

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Post by whythre »

krapp wrote: post #24
Wingman4l7 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alternatives that exist openly in the US would not be suffered to exist in the PRC -- for instance, Signal.

Again, I see little difference between the PRC and USA in this regard. As an American, I couldn't care less about Chinese surveillance. But my own government has an active interest in monitoring my politics for thoughtcrime and influencing my thoughts and actions. Making a moral panic only about the foreign platform seems, itself, like propaganda.

Seems like you are overly concerned with the devil you know while ignoring the threat of the devil you don’t. If you think the US government isn’t your friend, well… you are right. But if you are an American, the PRC is your enemy. They actually want bad things to happen to the citizens of the US. And they have the leverage to cause some of those things to happen.

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Post by whythre »

samhw wrote: post #36
yumraj wrote: post #31

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> Who has China invaded? This has got to be a joke… Tibet in 1951 India in 1962 China-Vietnam war 1979 Currently, China has border dispute with every country it shares the border with, except two: North Korea and Pakistan It is illegally building outposts in S. China Sea encroaching on every other country’s marine zone. It is constantly threatening Taiwan It is building Navy at a massive pace, attacking every country…

It also continues to farm human beings. Tens of thousands of human beings each year are murdered to order (or, more accurately, they have their organs cut out and then are left to die) for Western transplant tourists who will pay upwards of $100k for the prime cuts. They and their medical systems and governments know full well that a heart transplant scheduled on a particular date three months in advance admits of no…

I feel like I’m the coming years the organ harvesting business will only grow and spread as the population ages and the need for replacements grows.

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Post by rightbyte »

seryoiupfurds wrote: post #33
captaincaveman wrote: post #11

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It's very convenient that whenever a dictator wants to invade and conquer a neighboring country, all they have to do is declare that it historically belonged to them and suddenly the "anti-imperialists" have no problem with it. It's the exact same rhetorical playbook Putin used with Ukraine.

I believe the problem "anti-imperialists" believe they are facing is that if they don't relativize Russian and potential Chinese wars, they feel that people get worked up into a war frency.

They believe we need a reminder that our elite are not much better and that the alleged ethnical cleansing of Gaza is such a timely reminder. As a way to not get us dragged into yet more wars.

I guess.

Re: US designates more Chinese tech companies as military collaborators

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Post by kingwill101 »

twojobsoneboss wrote: post #9

The fact that TikTok is still allowed to run amok when the PRC has their hands all over it and also shows completely different content to Chinese users is the greatest irony and crime here

The fact that *insert American tech company * is still allowed to run amok when the *insert 3 letter agency* has their hands all over it and openly flaunts it is the greatest irony and crime here

Re: US designates more Chinese tech companies as military collaborators

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Post by thiago_fm »

living_room_pc wrote: post #40

Is it just me, or does it feel like there are some strange comments in this thread. Like responses to comments that add nothing but trying to shut down conversations... Patriots I guess

Totally. Seeing this conflict from an outsider perspective (not American nor Chinese), makes me puke.

US has been killing and plaguing millions of people with their crappy social networks, with depression and draining their attention, using it to monitor and spread American "democratic" values around the world.

Now that China has 01 social network that is successful (nowhere as close as the ones owned by Meta tho), Americans and politicians think that China is a menace and it's the end of the world. Of course the PRC have influence in Tiktok and will use it. The US has been doing the same for ages.

My only hope is that we get more and more alternatives, up to the point that American Big Techs become irrelevant, and so does this conflict.

I wonder when the first American nuke will be used because of a meme being shared in a social network

Re: US designates more Chinese tech companies as military collaborators

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

living_room_pc wrote: post #40

Is it just me, or does it feel like there are some strange comments in this thread. Like responses to comments that add nothing but trying to shut down conversations... Patriots I guess

Once you notice it you'll see it everywhere around here.

Re: US designates more Chinese tech companies as military collaborators

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Post by captaincaveman »

biotopia wrote: post #18
captaincaveman wrote: post #11

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Taiwan has its own MILITARY FORCE, government, rule of law, economy, alliances for 70 years now. It is de facto an independent country. Unless someone brings that tired argument of Taiwan claims China as its own - no, China threatened to invade if Taiwan relinquishes that claim. And no, just because China forces other countries to not recognize Taiwan as a country, doesn't make it so. (if anything, most countries are…

Yes they do, and like I said, think they should be left to get on with things on their own. However they are a break away geopolitical state that was only enabled to do so, by support from US to protect them, if the US hadn't enabled them the CCP would of invaded many many decades ago. You can brush this inconvenient fact under the carpet, but it's not a simple and clear cut as you make out. Both sides taking the extreme stance is why it can't be solved.

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Post by ithkuil »

salawat wrote: post #25
krapp wrote: post #22

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Every American social media company is a front for NSA surveillance and CIA propaganda, what's your point? I thought we were supposed to believe in free markets and competition around here.

Every American social media|insurance|telecom|financial|tech company are a surveillance endpoint for the FBI or LE in general and/or a foreign policy endpoint in terms of being an effector for economic warfare. No legal fiction is inured to the machinations of its host state.

Endpoint != Front

Social media companies have also their own nefarious goals so you don't have only to worry about your government but also about the (un)intended consequences of attention capitalism

Re: US designates more Chinese tech companies as military collaborators

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Post by fnordpiglet »

kingwill101 wrote: post #45
twojobsoneboss wrote: post #9

The fact that TikTok is still allowed to run amok when the PRC has their hands all over it and also shows completely different content to Chinese users is the greatest irony and crime here

The fact that *insert American tech company * is still allowed to run amok when the *insert 3 letter agency* has their hands all over it and openly flaunts it is the greatest irony and crime here

Except, in this bilateral relationship, those firms aren’t allowed to run amok in China for basically the same reasons as highlighted.

I’m not taking a side fwiw. I think it’s all sad and nation states, nationalism, etc, are the cause of almost all ills.

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