Covid Test Data Breach: 1.3M Patient Records Exposed Online

Not clear I guess, but I meant small claims for anyone facing the same issue. Over and over we get bullied by these big companies looking to solve their problems at the expense of the little guy. And have no recourse.

Are you from Australia, or any other place that was able to successfully quarantine against COVID for an extended period of time? Even so I'd like to know so that I can look at the data.

An important point from that link comparing the two is that if you get hospitalized with COVID your death rate is close to twice that compared to if you get hospitalized with the flu.

And I don't see how mentioning obesity rates matters. If COVID is effectively the flu then obesity should effectively matter the same for both of them.

If you don't live in the US I don't understand why you're focusing on the US.

>and WE were blamed for the spread because we knew the vaccine wouldn't prevent transmission and was useless for most people below 50-60.

AGAIN Masking and distancing mattered, and still matters. Regardless whether one got the vaccine. I know those aholes at CNN and the like were saying that only the vaccines mattered. From my point of view, as a person who wanted to shut down this viral attack against the entire human species, a pox on both your houses.

We'd actually know better if China, not the US, but China, had been more forthcoming as to what exactly happened at the Wuhan Institute of Virology . Do we blame the people who hire contractors for the contractors' screwups, or the contractors who had stated (through BSL-4 certification) that they were competent to do the job?

Gain of function research is one thing, but it's not definitive evidence that the virus leaked from the WIV. As I discussed in this thread almost a year ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34753613

I live in Sweden. We had very little quarantine, other than WFH. Vaccine passes existed but was up to organizers to decide. Our problem is our culture of conformity, we even have a word for it The Law of Jante[1]. This is why we were able to be so lax, because people generally just follow rules and very rarely questions authority. Our people are predisposed to make eachother conform so there's no need for a police state.

I do not focus on the US, the issue was international which only makes it scarier to consider the scale of it. But it was a US program, to do research illegal in the US, and I mainly blame Fauci and Daszak. Daszak was in the team the WHO sent to investigate the lab leak and even mentioned his conflict of interest in an interview before.

While all this was public data, the lab leak was ridiculed, by who? The people who had everything to lose if it was public. Then we're supposed to get the vaccines these same people push on us for the virus they modified to transmit to humans. Yeah fuck off with that bullshit.

And there was 0 discussion about this. We were called crazy, evil and all kinds of words. We were dehumanized, just because we wanted a sane discussion. I'm still waiting for an honest port-mortem of those years.

Don't try to blame China, they're a dictatorship acting like expected. We (as in the west) had people funding and performing the research in charge of our responses. Fauci smirking behind Trump on press conferences disgusts me.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante

I spent the majority of "the COVID years" within Australia and overall relatively few people were held anywhere with barbed wire fencing, most people understood why quarentine periods were required to stop the spread of infection despite which there were multiple instances of little pockets here and there of people that either didn't understand or were determined to break quarantine for whatever reason.

An isolation period is exactly that - a period of time in which checks are made to ensure there is no infection.

These particular teens that you linked to could have waited a few days and walked out or broken quareantine - they chose to break quarentine.

( At this point there's a massive essay to insert on the clumsy handling by NT authorities of most things indigenous and the perspective on jail held by local communities - this was never going to end well without the kind of support that anybody local to NT | outback Australia can be sure wasn't provided https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubxZsfyEwWY )

Your comments about Hilter and facism are more than a bit Over The Top .. you might recall that Buchenwald did not have a 14 day waiting period for release.

Maybe back off with the bat-shit insane fearmongering?

> Our problem is our culture of conformity, we even have a word for it The Law of Jante[1]

I think in Australia this is known as cutting down the tall poppies. The presence of this effect in Scandinavia and Anglo-Oceania, places commonly thought of as egalitarian, makes me wonder whether this effect is in any way related to the observation that they have higher gender role self-segregation (particularly Scandinavia) than do less gender-equal countries.

> But it was a US program, to do research illegal in the US,

NIH funding of gain of function research was only banned from October 2014 - December 2017 by NIH moratorium [1], and might only now be in the process of getting a more general ban [2].

> And there was 0 discussion about this. We were called crazy, evil and all kinds of words. We were dehumanized, just because we wanted a sane discussion.

I agree. Ad hominems make really easy soundbites, and both the left and right media have been using them for a while now.

> Don't try to blame China, they're a dictatorship acting like expected.

No. I'll blame them too. It's a choice that people make political cultures that preference scapegoating and reaction instead of forethought and the precautionary principle. *If* COVID did come from WIV, then they are to blame. They were under no particular existential pressure. Everyone working for WIV should have been trained in good technique. Protocols should have been in place to identify and inform on any accidental release. And if they played fast and loose with safety that's on them.

> Fauci smirking behind Trump on press conferences disgusts me.

People make odd faces or suddenly think of something inappropriate to the moment all the time.

[1] - https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3...

[2] - https://www.science.org/content/article/house-approves-ban-g...