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I don't want anything your AI generates

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Re: I don't want anything your AI generates

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Post by logicprog »

stolenmerch wrote: post #52

I'm not a fan of this hyper aggressive line-in-the-sand argumentation about AI that pushes it all precariously close to culture war shenanigans. If you don't like a new technology that is perfectly cool and your right to an opinion. Please don't position it so that if I want to use AI I have to defend myself from accusations of exploiting labor and the environment. That is NOT at all clear, settled, or even correct m…

The idea that machine learning like large language models and image generating systems exploit labor might be up for debate, but the fact that they are disproportionately damaging to the environment compared to the alternatives is certainly true in the same way that it's true for Bitcoin mining. And there's more than just those two aspects to consider, it's also very much worth considering how the widespread use of such technologies and the integration of them into our economy might change our political, social, and economic landscape, and whether those changes would be good or bad or worth the downsides. I think it's perfectly valid to decide that an emerging technology is not worth the negative changes it will make in society or the downsides that it will bring with it, and reject its use, technological progress is not necessarily inevitable in the way that every new technology must become widespread.

Re: I don't want anything your AI generates

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Post by JohnFen »

rain_iwakura wrote: post #60

I think the funny result of our ML work is that we essentially bringing the value of being online down and will eventually force people to interact IRL as costs of verifying these generations becomes too high. That is we are going back to pre-Internet era interactions. I agree with the author, but I also don't see lower usage of all this already meaningless human-produced content as inherently bad. The hope is dim, b…

Well said.

> If nothing online can be trusted

I think we're already pretty much there, except that it isn't just online. This is an all-media problem now.

(I work in ML as well)

Re: I don't want anything your AI generates

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Post by nickthegreek »

hospitalJail wrote: post #36
RolandFlicket wrote: post #28

My boss “writes” policies etc using ChatGPT. They’re generic, overly wordy and say nothing of original thought. I don’t read them and don’t care. When he sends me a link to them in MS Teams I always click the first auto suggested response Teams like “Looks great!” Machine v machine.

>My boss “writes” policies etc using ChatGPT. They’re generic, overly wordy and say nothing of original thought. Isnt this good for a workplace policy? Wife had to do something similar and I'm happy it was overfit. I don't want some creative policy book.

I find that it is just real wordy by default. I commonly tell ChatGPT to be succinct.

Re: I don't want anything your AI generates

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Post by akira2501 »

stolenmerch wrote: post #52

I'm not a fan of this hyper aggressive line-in-the-sand argumentation about AI that pushes it all precariously close to culture war shenanigans. If you don't like a new technology that is perfectly cool and your right to an opinion. Please don't position it so that if I want to use AI I have to defend myself from accusations of exploiting labor and the environment. That is NOT at all clear, settled, or even correct m…

> Please don't position it so that if I want to use AI I have to defend myself from accusations of exploiting labor and the environment.

I don't think this article even remote attempts this claim. The closest it gets is suggesting that if these defenses are too much trouble for you, then perhaps your use case for AI wasn't great in the first place.

> but diatribes like this

How is this a diatribe? There's nothing bitter about the writing here, it's entirely couched within the realm of personal opinion, and is an unexpurgated sharing of that opinion.

Please don't position your arguments so that if I want to share my opinion I have to defend myself from accusations that I'm being exceedingly bitter or somehow interfering with what you intend to do.

You're effectively attempting to bully people out of their own opinions for the sake of your convenience.

Re: I don't want anything your AI generates

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Post by mjr00 »

imachine1980_ wrote: post #65
superb_dev wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then pick it apart?

People don't care if your product is made of ai from game like palworld too drug researchers people care that your results are good, generative ai in general is bad. But used whit professionals use and knowledge in the matters is empowering

There's no evidence Palworld used AI for anything. The only reason it's come up is that the CEO commented that they liked generative AI on Twitter, and certain groups picked that up to try to build an anti-Palworld campaign by claiming it used AI to generate characters.

Re: I don't want anything your AI generates

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Post by CuriousCosmic »

stolenmerch wrote: post #52

I'm not a fan of this hyper aggressive line-in-the-sand argumentation about AI that pushes it all precariously close to culture war shenanigans. If you don't like a new technology that is perfectly cool and your right to an opinion. Please don't position it so that if I want to use AI I have to defend myself from accusations of exploiting labor and the environment. That is NOT at all clear, settled, or even correct m…

No you absolutely should have to defend yourself. Like the author, I don't want to touch anything you create that is produced with generative AI.

The ONLY exception is if you can demonstrate that your model was trained solely on datasets of properly licensed works and that those licenses permit or are compatible with training/generation.

But the issue is that overwhelmingly, people who use generative AI do not care about any of that and in practice no models are trained that way so it's not even worth mentioning that exception in this day and age.

Re: I don't want anything your AI generates

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Post by rain_iwakura »

stolenmerch wrote: post #52

I'm not a fan of this hyper aggressive line-in-the-sand argumentation about AI that pushes it all precariously close to culture war shenanigans. If you don't like a new technology that is perfectly cool and your right to an opinion. Please don't position it so that if I want to use AI I have to defend myself from accusations of exploiting labor and the environment. That is NOT at all clear, settled, or even correct m…

The issue is that without loud declaration like this money men will just soldier on with implementing shittier future.

It's always do something first and then ask for forgiveness. But at the point you ask for it it's too late and too many eggs were broken. And somehow you're richer at the end of it all and thus, protected from any consequences. While everyone else is, forgive my French, fucked.

Has Facebook been a net positive so far? Has twitter? You may make case for you YouTube, but what about Netflix?

It's only been good to us (engineers) and our investor masters, but not for the 90% of the rest, which may I remind you is the distribution that created us in the first place. Sorry for being dramatic, but I do seriously think these things need to be reigned in, and especially people like Altman who while believing themselves to be good-willed (and I have no doubts that he is better man than Musk for example) end up being Robert Moseses' of our generation. That is someone with good intentions who ends up making things worse overall.

Re: I don't want anything your AI generates

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Post by bee_rider »

RolandFlicket wrote: post #28

My boss “writes” policies etc using ChatGPT. They’re generic, overly wordy and say nothing of original thought. I don’t read them and don’t care. When he sends me a link to them in MS Teams I always click the first auto suggested response Teams like “Looks great!” Machine v machine.

I wonder what he feeds the AI. Maybe some nice concise bullet points, which are what you’d probably want.

Maybe we’ll end up with dual layers of AI: one to expand out top-down requests, another to compress them to something efficient to read.

We can also have engineers prompt the AI: write me a weekly status report on what I did. Here are my git commit logs and jira points. Emphasize (some topic).

Then the owners can have the AI summarize those reports.

Whole layers of middle management might be in danger.

Re: I don't want anything your AI generates

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Post by bunderbunder »

RolandFlicket wrote: post #28

My boss “writes” policies etc using ChatGPT. They’re generic, overly wordy and say nothing of original thought. I don’t read them and don’t care. When he sends me a link to them in MS Teams I always click the first auto suggested response Teams like “Looks great!” Machine v machine.

There's a part of me that thinks that this is actually what's great about tools like ChatGPT.

Such a huge percentage of typical intra-office communication is neither worth writing nor worth reading. It only happens because someone who will neither write nor read it has mandated that it must happen, and it's easier not to argue. Farming that work out to GPT, though, is excellent damage control. It minimizes the cost to write, and, as long as you can trust your colleagues not to do something antisocial like hiding important and original thoughts in the middle of a GPT sandwich, almost eliminates the cost to read.

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