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I don't want anything your AI generates

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Re: I don't want anything your AI generates

#81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want anything your statistics generate

Statistically, yeah, you do. Is it that there's numbers and forethought involved that turns you off, or the meta of it all?

My best guess is that there might be a group of people who fear the fact that their behaviour can be modelled using straightforward formula, because that threatens their beliefs that there is some sort of cosmic protection.

Re: I don't want anything your AI generates

#82

I'm not a fan of this hyper aggressive line-in-the-sand argumentation about AI that pushes it all precariously close to culture war shenanigans. If you don't like a new technology that is perfectly cool and your right to an opinion. Please don't position it so that if I want to use AI I have to defend myself from accusations of exploiting labor and the environment. That is NOT at all clear, settled, or even correct m…

Are We the Baddies?

Re: I don't want anything your AI generates

#84

> I don't want music recommendations from something that can't appreciate or understand music. Human recommendations will always be better. I find Spotify's "discover weekly" list to be generally pretty good. Sure, there are some songs I dont like, but there are often 3-4 great songs each week that get added to my regularly playlist. Its all good an well to say that human recommendations are better, but I'm not payin…

I recently signed up for Qobuz, which costs the same or roughly the same as Spotify. They have a significant amount of recommendations, writing, etc written by actual people. It is of vastly higher quality than anything automatically generated by Spotify. I've only occasionally found something I like through Spotify but have already found many things I like through Qobuz.

Re: I don't want anything your AI generates

#85
"AI output is fundamentally derivative"

By that definition, so is all human output. Musicians spend years studying and practicing other people's music before writing their own, painters spend years trying to replicate techniques before mastering their own, programmers spend years reading other people's bugs before authoring their own. All expression of skill is ultimately derivative. Sometimes slightly, sometimes verbatim, sometimes outright plagiarism.

This is why we reserve "derivative" for cases where the output has a similarities and obvious connection, and why we have a hard time dealing with it in practice - it's impossible to disallow a human from using past experiences in future works.

We taught a pile of melted sand to think using principles of learning (very roughly) similar to ours, and now we get upset that it worked and they apply what they learnt because now only we are allowed to do that.

Re: I don't want anything your AI generates

#86
post #71

Usually these anti AI outbursts come from designers. This is the first one I've seen coming from a developer. Or at least the first with such salt, bitterness and anger.

Honesty, Javascript front-end developers are probably more at risk of “being replaced” by AI than designers. This is probably where this sentiment is coming from.

Why Javascript front end developers specifically?

Re: I don't want anything your AI generates

#87
I get it, but what if creativity isn’t your use case? Why so one dimensional?

I don’t want to do corporate training modules, but I don’t care if they buy stock art or generate it using gpt. I don’t want to talk to a customer service bot at all, but I’d rather talk to one that is well built and capable. I don’t want to write cover letters. Now I don’t.

There’s plenty of ways for tools to be used inappropriately, and if you simply stop believing that “AI” exists and try to understand it as another tool, you can avoid falling into the pattern of angst that keeps going around.

Re: I don't want anything your AI generates

#88
I agree but most of this. Of course I would rather speak to a person, but replacing every chatbot with a person will increase cost (my cost). Do I really need a random person to read me a pre-written script when a chatbot can do the same thing? You think these people have permission to do things a chatbot can't? A chatbot can escalate your problem to a manager when necessary too.

You don't want AI music recommendations? Great, don't use it. Go speak to people. Many find discovery algorithms useful.

Want some custom art? Pay an artist. You can do this once a week at most before you're broke?

It's not a replacement for search? Google search was gamed by spammy websites and shitty people for years before AI.

It's idealistic. It's an easy opinion to have. You're not solving any problems.

AI has it's place and it's not meaningful art, a replacement for genuine human interaction or going to solve all of our problems. But it turns out at a REALLY GREAT autocomplete is a powerful tool. That's good enough.

Re: I don't want anything your AI generates

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post #31

I can see how a broad declaration like this may feel bold/freeing, but if you really put your mind to it then it seems pretty easy to pick apart.

Then pick it apart?

I’ve picked it apart myself elsewhere in another reply. Enjoy.

Re: I don't want anything your AI generates

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You haven't seen what I've seen. :) There are a lot of groups running towards this goal and it's all going to land at once.

In my experience, "the first 80% is easy; the second 80% is hard." It's very easy to get caught up in the hype and think we're closer than we are because we can see the finish line. All this new generative work does a great job of giving compelling demos, but there's way more to do before it becomes compelling media. Having been through a few of these things in the last 20 years, I'm going to trust my priors before b…

We're over the 80% hand hurdle now.
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