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No one is "non-technical" (2022)

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Re: No one is "non-technical" (2022)

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Post by paulddraper »

automatoney wrote: post #10

I'm personally increasingly less interested in language-focused critiques when it comes to systemic issues. The article makes interesting points, but I think the effort it's trying to make is kind of on a euphemism treadmill. The article even says it - the issue is not with the terminology itself, but with the valuation of certain skillsets over certain other ones under our current economic system. It's also a bit pe…

BIPOC is a term that is confusing as hell.

Who is Black and not a Person of Color?

And what do these people have in common with Laplanders?

Re: No one is "non-technical" (2022)

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Post by itishappy »

paulddraper wrote: post #11
automatoney wrote: post #10

I'm personally increasingly less interested in language-focused critiques when it comes to systemic issues. The article makes interesting points, but I think the effort it's trying to make is kind of on a euphemism treadmill. The article even says it - the issue is not with the terminology itself, but with the valuation of certain skillsets over certain other ones under our current economic system. It's also a bit pe…

BIPOC is a term that is confusing as hell. Who is Black and not a Person of Color? And what do these people have in common with Laplanders?

It's a list of historically underrepresented characteristics, and membership in one group does not imply membership in all. "Tall, dark, and handsome" doesn't mean everyone tall is tan.

Black, indigenous, (and/or) people of color.

Re: No one is "non-technical" (2022)

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Post by rpmisms »

NoraCodes wrote: post #8
rpmisms wrote: post #4

Good article, but fundamentally flawed. "Technical" versus "non-technical" is simply a soft assessment of intelligence, and we treat people accordingly. If I say the PM is non-technical, I'm saying she can't grok mid-level technical concepts, and explaining is pointless. I'm being a little harsh here, but we all do this.

We do not, in fact, all do this; for a long time, I used "non-technical" to refer to someone I know who is a prominent historian of Ming China and can read Classical Chinese, one of the most difficult written languages in the world, especially for native English speakers. It would be difficult to call her "unintelligent" with a straight face, and yet, she didn't have a smart phone until last year, because she knows n…

This is obviously about technical contexts, but I could have been clearer about that. I would personally call most WEB3/Blockchain enthusiasts "Non-technical", because they have no idea what they're promoting.

Re: No one is "non-technical" (2022)

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Post by [deleted] »

itishappy wrote: post #12
paulddraper wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BIPOC is a term that is confusing as hell. Who is Black and not a Person of Color? And what do these people have in common with Laplanders?

It's a list of historically underrepresented characteristics, and membership in one group does not imply membership in all. "Tall, dark, and handsome" doesn't mean everyone tall is tan. Black, indigenous, (and/or) people of color.

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Re: No one is "non-technical" (2022)

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Post by paulddraper »

itishappy wrote: post #12
paulddraper wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BIPOC is a term that is confusing as hell. Who is Black and not a Person of Color? And what do these people have in common with Laplanders?

It's a list of historically underrepresented characteristics, and membership in one group does not imply membership in all. "Tall, dark, and handsome" doesn't mean everyone tall is tan. Black, indigenous, (and/or) people of color.

It's like saying "Tall, dark, and black."

A bit of repetition in there, no?

Re: No one is "non-technical" (2022)

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Post by xboxnolifes »

itishappy wrote: post #12
paulddraper wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BIPOC is a term that is confusing as hell. Who is Black and not a Person of Color? And what do these people have in common with Laplanders?

It's a list of historically underrepresented characteristics, and membership in one group does not imply membership in all. "Tall, dark, and handsome" doesn't mean everyone tall is tan. Black, indigenous, (and/or) people of color.

> "Tall, dark, and handsome" doesn't mean everyone tall is tan.

Correct, but everyone who is tall, dark, and handsome is dark. The person you're replying to is asking: don't "black" and "indigenous" fall under "POC", since POC basically just means "not white"? Or at least black should fall under it.

Re: No one is "non-technical" (2022)

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Post by itishappy »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #17
itishappy wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a list of historically underrepresented characteristics, and membership in one group does not imply membership in all. "Tall, dark, and handsome" doesn't mean everyone tall is tan. Black, indigenous, (and/or) people of color.

> "Tall, dark, and handsome" doesn't mean everyone tall is tan. Correct, but everyone who is tall, dark, and handsome is dark. The person you're replying to is asking: don't "black" and "indigenous" fall under "POC", since POC basically just means "not white"? Or at least black should fall under it.

Fair point! It depends on which binary operation you use for your monoid.

Re: No one is "non-technical" (2022)

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Post by automatoney »

paulddraper wrote: post #16
itishappy wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a list of historically underrepresented characteristics, and membership in one group does not imply membership in all. "Tall, dark, and handsome" doesn't mean everyone tall is tan. Black, indigenous, (and/or) people of color.

It's like saying "Tall, dark, and black." A bit of repetition in there, no?

Probably should have just said POC in my parent comment to skip all this side discussion, but the repetition is the point. - it's used for emphasis.

From wikipedia:

"The term aims to emphasize the historic oppression of black and indigenous people, which is argued to be superlative and distinctive in U.S. history at the collective level."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_color#BIPOC

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