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Re: Intel's Humbling

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Post by bigbillheck »

RCitronsBroker wrote: post #329
bigbillheck wrote: post #299

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> they are one broken dam away from a huge mass casualty event. Are there any dam-having countries for which this isn't the case?

none or VERY few are even remotely close to the impact a potential breach of the three gorges dam would have. [1] Seriously, it’s worth reading up on, it’s genuinely hard to overstate. [1]: https://www.ispsw.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/718_Lin.pdf "In this case, the Three Gorges Dam may become a military target. But if this happens, it would be devastating to China as 400 million people live downstream, as well as…

"This article first appeared in The Times of Israel on September 11, 2020."

Also what does "400 million people live downstream" even mean? There's ten million people living downstream of this dam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Dam_(Troy), and ten million more living downstream of the various Mississippi dams and so on.

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Post by myth_drannon »

nebula8804 wrote: post #357
myth_drannon wrote: post #356

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They are taking sides. That is easily seen during an interview with the CEO, who almost cried talking about the events of October 7th. Intel will give 5000$ war grant to the Israeli employees. One of Intel's largest fabs is a 20-minute drive from where the massacres occurred.

Do you know if AMD has any presence in Israel? Intel has already sold me multiple garbage dump products in the past and so if I can minimize my Israel related purchases i'd prefer to do that. The Mac is annoying since I think some pieces of their silicon designs come from Israel (storage controller). Can someone correct me if I am wrong on that?

AMD is big in Israel as well. Most of the tech stuff is developed in Israel, side effects of future-oriented democracy I imagine. Boycotting things is useless virtue signalling of the woke disease. I would suggest going to pro-Palestinian protests and try to explain to them that raping, kidnapping and mutilating children is not going to bring peace and a country to Palestinians.

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Post by davidy123 »

myth_drannon wrote: post #362
nebula8804 wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know if AMD has any presence in Israel? Intel has already sold me multiple garbage dump products in the past and so if I can minimize my Israel related purchases i'd prefer to do that. The Mac is annoying since I think some pieces of their silicon designs come from Israel (storage controller). Can someone correct me if I am wrong on that?

AMD is big in Israel as well. Most of the tech stuff is developed in Israel, side effects of future-oriented democracy I imagine. Boycotting things is useless virtue signalling of the woke disease. I would suggest going to pro-Palestinian protests and try to explain to them that raping, kidnapping and mutilating children is not going to bring peace and a country to Palestinians.

It's fine to be future oriented, to share development, the problem is any religious destiny/racist element.

I'm not sure what you mean by "woke disease," but consumerism involves evaluation.

Oct 7 was horrible, but it didn't come out of nowhere. Sabra and Shatila, for example (Waltz with Bashir being a very good Israeli film on the topic), and the many thousands of people killed mutilated or displaced in their usual unhelpfully disproportionate response..

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Post by nebula8804 »

myth_drannon wrote: post #362
nebula8804 wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know if AMD has any presence in Israel? Intel has already sold me multiple garbage dump products in the past and so if I can minimize my Israel related purchases i'd prefer to do that. The Mac is annoying since I think some pieces of their silicon designs come from Israel (storage controller). Can someone correct me if I am wrong on that?

AMD is big in Israel as well. Most of the tech stuff is developed in Israel, side effects of future-oriented democracy I imagine. Boycotting things is useless virtue signalling of the woke disease. I would suggest going to pro-Palestinian protests and try to explain to them that raping, kidnapping and mutilating children is not going to bring peace and a country to Palestinians.

How is AMD big in Israel?

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Post by bigbillheck »

RCitronsBroker wrote: post #294
rapsey wrote: post #257

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How much is that elite independent of Xi? A relatively independent elite is probably a more stable system. But a completely subservient elite to the fearless leader is however much more dangerous.

I don’t think Xi is as independent as you believe, but that’s a matter of personal opinion. I just don’t think it’s very likely for just about any leader putting themselves into the position you are describing. This is a reoccurring narrative in western media, and I’m not here to defend dictators, but i feel like reality is less black and white than that. Many of the "crazed leaders" we are told are acting irrational…

> the way the borders of Iraq were re-drawn, Iraq was completely cut off from any sources of fresh water.

In the geography which with I am familiar, Iraq has two incredibly famous rivers and the Persian Gulf is actually salt water.

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Post by andrewstuart »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #298
andrewstuart wrote: post #107

Off topic but I find it weird that Intel CEO does so much religious quoting under the Intel corporate logo: Here's one examples but there's a pile of them. https://twitter.com/PGelsinger/status/1751653865009631584 I guess Intel does need the help of a higher power at the stage.

Almost as if "doing the right thing" requires an underlying moral framework.

I' not sure I would agree that you need any sort of "moral framework" to know how to do the right thing, such as religion.

Knowing how to do the right thing is simple human decency.

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Post by flyinghamster »

PaulHoule wrote: post #330
tgtweak wrote: post #174

I'm kind of bullish on Intel right now. They've moved up so many process nodes so quickly and have made some earnest headway in being an actual fab. Let's ignore the elephant in the room which is taiwan and it's sovereignty, and only focus on the core r&d. Intel flopped so hard on process nodes for 4 years up until Gelsinger took the reigns... it was honestly unprecedented levels of R&D failure. What happened over th…

This blog https://semiaccurate.com/ has told the story for more than a decade that Intel has been getting high on its own supply and that the media has been uncritical of the stories it tells. In particular I think when it comes to the data center they’ve forgotten their roots. They took over the data center in the 1990s because they were producing desktop PCs in such numbers they could afford to get way ahead of the…

> and they are lucky to have customers that accept that a new version of MacOS can drop older chips

Indeed, Apple has shown not just once but multiple times that they'll happily blow up their entire development ecosystem, whether it's software (Mac Finder vs. MacOS X) or hardware (68k, PPC, Intel, and now ARM). I think Intel didn't expect Apple to switch architectures so quickly and thoroughly and got caught flat-footed.

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Post by Aaronstotle »

BirAdam wrote: post #50

Everyone acts as though Intel should have seen everything coming. Where was AMD? Was AMD really competitive before Ryzen? Nope. Core 2 series blew them out of the water. Was ARM really competitive until recently? Nope. Intel crushed them. The problem for Intel is the inertia of laziness due to a lack of competition. I wouldn’t count them out just yet, however. The company’s first true swing at modern GPU was actually…

AMD had Jim Keller join them, that should have been a wake up call for Intel.

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Post by bpt3 »

andrewstuart wrote: post #107

Off topic but I find it weird that Intel CEO does so much religious quoting under the Intel corporate logo: Here's one examples but there's a pile of them. https://twitter.com/PGelsinger/status/1751653865009631584 I guess Intel does need the help of a higher power at the stage.

That's not under the Intel corporate logo. It's a personal account. His comments aren't my cup of tea but they certainly aren't generally offensive.

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Post by mst »

King1st wrote: post #338
throwaway4good wrote: post #256

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What I worry about with Intel is that they have gotten too much into politics; relying on CHIPS act and other subsidies, encouraging sanctions on Chinese competitors while relying on full access to the Chinese market for sales. It is not a good long term strategy: The winds of politics may change, politicians may set more terms (labour and environment), foreign market access may become politicized too (US politicians…

Intel has used political incentives often though its history to great effect. I think its a much smaller issue than you think. Its part of their standard game-plan for over 30 years. The issue with boeing is becoming acontract company that into contracts out all their work which is self defeating and leads to brain drain. EX: the door lacking bolts because Boeing doesnt even build its own fuselages anymore and have l…

Boeing was culturally taken over by McDonnell Douglas leadership.

What's fascinating albeit somewhat depressing is that it seems something similar happened when McDonnell merged with/took over Douglas as well: https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/a-legal-and-moral-questi...

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