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Adobe gives up on web-design product to rival Figma after deal collapse

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Re: Adobe gives up on web-design product to rival Figma after deal collapse

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Post by foooorsyth »

ceejayoz wrote: post #22
hipadev23 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a clear attempt at Adobe trying to buyout their competition because they can't seem to compete. You paint this like it's a bad thing, that's why many acquisitions occur.

> You paint this like it's a bad thing, that's why many acquisitions occur. You paint that like it's a good thing.

A lot of founders see it as a good thing -- not everyone wants to stay in the game. Some want a big liquidity event after 10 years of grind and a sale to a large competing company typically yields the biggest windfall.

Re: Adobe gives up on web-design product to rival Figma after deal collapse

#32

Post by DHPersonal »

karaterobot wrote: post #27

Adobe XD was meant to take on Sketch, and failed at that, which meant it was fully two generations behind Figma. They couldn't compete, and as a company they have no capacity for making innovative web design products. They do seem to have a capacity for ruining the ones they buy, so I'm glad this attempt failed.

In that time between XD's inception and Figma's buyout attempt, hasn't Sketch caught up to Figma and become a decent competitor to it? I haven't used it in a while because my employer doesn't support it and my freelance work has effectively ended.

Re: Adobe gives up on web-design product to rival Figma after deal collapse

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Post by latexr »

hipadev23 wrote: post #14
no_wizard wrote: post #2

Now Figma can become the de-facto choice for its software category and a merger was proved to be ultimately unnecessary for its survival and was a clear attempt at Adobe trying to buyout their competition because they can't seem to compete. I think overall this is a good thing. Adobe owning Figma isn't a great promise that it would be make Figma better, improve Figma in any way, nor keep Figma on the path of making h…

> a clear attempt at Adobe trying to buyout their competition because they can't seem to compete. You paint this like it's a bad thing, that's why many acquisitions occur.

> You paint this like it's a bad thing, that's why many acquisitions occur.

The second part of your sentence does not justify the first. Just because something happens a lot does not make it good.

Re: Adobe gives up on web-design product to rival Figma after deal collapse

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Post by latexr »

foooorsyth wrote: post #31
ceejayoz wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You paint this like it's a bad thing, that's why many acquisitions occur. You paint that like it's a good thing.

A lot of founders see it as a good thing -- not everyone wants to stay in the game. Some want a big liquidity event after 10 years of grind and a sale to a large competing company typically yields the biggest windfall.

> A lot of founders see it as a good thing

Yes, for themselves. But I doubt anyone on this current thread is a Figma founder, meaning we’re discussing if it’s a good or bad thing for users.

Re: Adobe gives up on web-design product to rival Figma after deal collapse

#35

Post by foooorsyth »

latexr wrote: post #34
foooorsyth wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of founders see it as a good thing -- not everyone wants to stay in the game. Some want a big liquidity event after 10 years of grind and a sale to a large competing company typically yields the biggest windfall.

> A lot of founders see it as a good thing Yes, for themselves. But I doubt anyone on this current thread is a Figma founder, meaning we’re discussing if it’s a good or bad thing for users.

It's a good thing for me for Ferrari to sell me a car for $1 -- doesn't mean that's what should be brought into reality by regulators.

Re: Adobe gives up on web-design product to rival Figma after deal collapse

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Post by ivanmontillam »

no_wizard wrote: post #2

Now Figma can become the de-facto choice for its software category and a merger was proved to be ultimately unnecessary for its survival and was a clear attempt at Adobe trying to buyout their competition because they can't seem to compete. I think overall this is a good thing. Adobe owning Figma isn't a great promise that it would be make Figma better, improve Figma in any way, nor keep Figma on the path of making h…

I can also say Figma avoided Adobe going into "destroy mode" with a similar product.

We recognize Adobe XD as incapable, but with Adobe's resources, they'd have thrown enough money until they achieved it.

Of course there are exceptions: same cannot be said of Google Video and YouTube.

Re: Adobe gives up on web-design product to rival Figma after deal collapse

#37

Post by lrivers »

no_wizard wrote: post #2

Now Figma can become the de-facto choice for its software category and a merger was proved to be ultimately unnecessary for its survival and was a clear attempt at Adobe trying to buyout their competition because they can't seem to compete. I think overall this is a good thing. Adobe owning Figma isn't a great promise that it would be make Figma better, improve Figma in any way, nor keep Figma on the path of making h…

Adobe has a record of acquiring products and then killing them. Fireworks & Freehand for example.

Re: Adobe gives up on web-design product to rival Figma after deal collapse

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Post by karaterobot »

DHPersonal wrote: post #32
karaterobot wrote: post #27

Adobe XD was meant to take on Sketch, and failed at that, which meant it was fully two generations behind Figma. They couldn't compete, and as a company they have no capacity for making innovative web design products. They do seem to have a capacity for ruining the ones they buy, so I'm glad this attempt failed.

In that time between XD's inception and Figma's buyout attempt, hasn't Sketch caught up to Figma and become a decent competitor to it? I haven't used it in a while because my employer doesn't support it and my freelance work has effectively ended.

I don't know, as I stopped using Sketch the day I discovered Figma. Maybe so? I'd be happy about it, because it's nice to have real competition, but it'd be quite an achievement for them to have caught up at this point.
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