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Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Re: Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Post by grampajoe »

javajosh wrote: post #53

Google thinks it will die in the long run without social. They realize that all the tech-savvy software product in the world can be reproduced eventually, but secondary, human-savvy products, can never be reproduced. Furthermore, they see the power in adding ever more context to search - see Bret Victor's talk about how 'interaction' is bad, and inferring context is everything. There's no better context than social.…

There's definitely a better context than social: personal. You are not your friends.

Re: Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Post by taligent »

rapind wrote: post #111
adamc wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to say that it sounds like an excellent reason to drop gmail and move away from google products. I don't _want_ advertisers to know more about me.

I don't care if advertisers know more about until they can actually identify who I am (name and contact info) and start calling me, sending me emails, and mailing me directly. Since it's not in Google's or Facebook's best interest to allow a direct connection between their advertiser's and users (if they no longer act as the proxy, where's the money?) I'm not terribly worried about it. I would like there to be more t…

Which they potentially can right ?

If you see a random ad for a company on Google, click on it and then supply your email. Then they would know a lot more about than just your email. They would know every demographic filter they used to create that ad. That could be quite specific.

Re: Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Post by Teapot »

kcbanner wrote: post #19
mattmanser wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube is not Google. Google is not YouTube. They just happen to own it. Google should start remembering that before YouTube gets myspaced. Which imo is looking increasingly likely. Vimeo is one competitor which seems to already be growing like crazy for example.

YouTube isn't going anywhere

youtube has been going downhill for several years now. The only thing that keeps people from fleeing is the poor alternatives out there, so far..

Re: Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Post by taligent »

capo wrote: post #63
luser001 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His point was about requiring a login on another social network to vote on a video, when you're already logged in to Youtube. You somehow boiled it down to a discussion on the lack of a "thumbs down" button. I think you're off track here. YMMV.

What "other social network"? Google, + ,and YouTube accounts are on their way to becoming one (if they aren't already).

Google+ and Youtube have always been mentally separated.

I could like videos on Youtube without the risk of them appearing anywhere or being used for anything. This has changed. And frankly it sucks.

Re: Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Post by citricsquid »

VikingCoder wrote: post #123

> It is bad for viewers, bad for video creators, and bad for YouTube’s ability to curate and tailor videos to potential viewers. First, a question: any random person on the internet, without being logged in, used to be able to Thumb Up a YouTube video? If that's true, then I bet it was very easy to spam. Giving it a Thumb Up, without being logged in, would also mean that none of your friends had any idea that you had…

Imagine if hackernews replaced upvoting with tweeting, that's what they're doing.

Re: Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Post by raverbashing »

citricsquid wrote: post #155
VikingCoder wrote: post #123

> It is bad for viewers, bad for video creators, and bad for YouTube’s ability to curate and tailor videos to potential viewers. First, a question: any random person on the internet, without being logged in, used to be able to Thumb Up a YouTube video? If that's true, then I bet it was very easy to spam. Giving it a Thumb Up, without being logged in, would also mean that none of your friends had any idea that you had…

Imagine if hackernews replaced upvoting with tweeting, that's what they're doing.

Couldn't think of a better analogy myself

Re: Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Post by tomkarlo »

Bud wrote: post #105
joejohnson wrote: post #34

This is annoying, but how is it a huge mistake on Google's part? Sure, they're going to annoy a few people, but I think that these tactics forcing people to use G+ will probably work. People will be forced onto this G+ platform whether they like it or not; the mass exodus threats about any social networking platform never materialize into anything more than a few users deactivating their accounts.

Oh really? You mean like when everyone over age 12 threatened to leave Myspace as soon as there was something better, and then they did?

Threatening to leave because you want something on a service to be left unchaged is not equivalent to leaving a service because there's a newer, better service available. If site designers listened to everyone who gripes when a feature changes, they'd never change anything much, and inevitably would end up losing out to someone who comes along with a better product. That's much closer to what happened with MySpace - they failed to innovate, and got overtaken by FB.

Re: Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Post by sad_panda »

adventureful wrote: post #133
VikingCoder wrote: post #123

> It is bad for viewers, bad for video creators, and bad for YouTube’s ability to curate and tailor videos to potential viewers. First, a question: any random person on the internet, without being logged in, used to be able to Thumb Up a YouTube video? If that's true, then I bet it was very easy to spam. Giving it a Thumb Up, without being logged in, would also mean that none of your friends had any idea that you had…

A lot of news sites allow voting without being logged in, as well as in the comment sections. Business Insider, the largest business site, allows it (Quantcast #235). It's premised on the notion that for 99.999% of people, they're not going to bother going through any amount of hassle to bolster votes artificially. It works, it's not worth the time or effort to game content and comments that are modest in traffic and…

Not just Reddit, HN derives tremendous value from quality commenting.

Commenting with zero accountability (authenticated accounts, voting, flagging, whatever) is basically doomed to be awful and a net negative to the service.

Re: Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Post by crag »

VikingCoder wrote: post #149
Wilya wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't thumb up on Youtube without a Google Account (which is not exactly the same as a Google+ account). And, I already get the +1s (or thumbs up, or whatever it's called) of the people I follow on Youtube, in my Youtube stream. And I do like things there. On the other hand, sharing ? I'd think twice before doing it.

So, to make some people happy, Google would have to allow you to have a separate Google account, Google+ account, and YouTube account. To make other people happy, it would be completely optional to link those accounts together - but keep them separate, for some reason. To make other people happy, they should be able to use one account to do all of the those things. Finally, to make other people happy, Google should j…

Actually you can have separate accounts right now. And you can link all the account right now, if your want too. This also works with Google Apps too.

BUt I don't have a Google + account. Though not for Google not trying. And frankly I don't want one. FB is enough for me.

Re: Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Post by philwelch »

nostromo wrote: post #141
jes5199 wrote: post #129

Youtube used to be a demilitarized zone in the social wars. Every social network uses Youtube as their default video provider, every cell phone OS has a Youtube app as the default video app. Google saying that Youtube is now, fundamentally, a G+ territory means that social video is no longer something we can take for granted; expect Facebook and Apple to jump ship, and Youtube is left with, what, only the loyal G+ us…

Facebook isn't so dumb that they haven't seen YouTube as Google's trojan horse for a long time. Facebook has had a video platform since 2007 -- it just hasn't taken off. > I miss the days when Google, Apple, and Facebook cooperated rather than squabbled. I don't; competition is good.

Competition is good. Entering totally unrelated markets you're unsuited for is stupid.
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