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Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Re: Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Post by luser001 »

capo wrote: post #31
citricsquid wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like / Dislike is the rating system evolved, there was an article about how they had come to the decision through research that a 1 - 5 rating system doesn't work; people more often than not either like it or they dislike it, so 1 and 5 were the common votes. If you want to be pedantic then sure, they removed a core part of Youtube when they removed the rating system, but in reality the system evolved. 1 - 5 was (at…

Then it could well evolve further. I don't see a need for the "dislike" button.

His point was about requiring a login on another social network to vote on a video, when you're already logged in to Youtube.

You somehow boiled it down to a discussion on the lack of a "thumbs down" button. I think you're off track here. YMMV.

Re: Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Post by capo »

luser001 wrote: post #61
capo wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then it could well evolve further. I don't see a need for the "dislike" button.

His point was about requiring a login on another social network to vote on a video, when you're already logged in to Youtube. You somehow boiled it down to a discussion on the lack of a "thumbs down" button. I think you're off track here. YMMV.

What "other social network"? Google, + ,and YouTube accounts are on their way to becoming one (if they aren't already).

Re: Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Post by idleloops »

joejohnson wrote: post #34

This is annoying, but how is it a huge mistake on Google's part? Sure, they're going to annoy a few people, but I think that these tactics forcing people to use G+ will probably work. People will be forced onto this G+ platform whether they like it or not; the mass exodus threats about any social networking platform never materialize into anything more than a few users deactivating their accounts.

Actually I do think it's a big mistake and here is a simple reason why: I was wanting to share a Google document with family members a year ago. And those without Google accounts simply were not interested in getting one - despite my want for them to access the document. When I said it was quite simple to get themselves a log in they still weren't interested. They just didn't want to sign up to yet another service.

Re: Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Post by luser001 »

Kronopath wrote: post #46
mattmanser wrote: post #9

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YouTube is not Google. Google is not YouTube. They just happen to own it. Google should start remembering that before YouTube gets myspaced. Which imo is looking increasingly likely. Vimeo is one competitor which seems to already be growing like crazy for example.

Vimeo will never overtake Youtube because of their draconian policies on copyrighted content. For example, you're not allowed to upload videos that show videogame gameplay unless it's a game you developed yourself (and shows like these are a BIG part of Youtube's audience).

Hmm, I always thought the restriction on game recordings was just a way to curate the community.

Re: Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Post by m0nty »

nextparadigms wrote: post #45

In the beginning people complained that Google has like a dozen different "Like" buttons on the Reader, Youtube and so on. Now they complain that they want to use just one everywhere? I think it's a great move. Personally, I even want them to integrate their G+ commenting system into all their services. It's one of the best commenting systems out there, and certainly much better than the Youtube one. It might even en…

> Now they complain that they want to use just one everywhere?

It's almost like the Internet is lots of different people with wildly divergent opinions!

Re: Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Post by TomGullen »

erichocean wrote: post #54
TomGullen wrote: post #51

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> translation: "we might lose the ability to do our show, because this G+ +1 button introduces friction and a sign-up process we don't expect our users will bother to complete." Yeah, but he misses the next step in logical thinking which is that the changes will apply to everyone. This new button is for everyone, which means everyone will get less votes which means less are needed for him to continue to run the show.

Everyone will get less votes in different proportions, based on their audience . It's not a linear adjustment for everyone.

Of course, but I imagine the proportional increase/decrease will probably be the same with the people he's competing with.

That's not the point the author is arguing anyway.

Re: Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Post by waterlesscloud »

javajosh wrote: post #53

Google thinks it will die in the long run without social. They realize that all the tech-savvy software product in the world can be reproduced eventually, but secondary, human-savvy products, can never be reproduced. Furthermore, they see the power in adding ever more context to search - see Bret Victor's talk about how 'interaction' is bad, and inferring context is everything. There's no better context than social.…

I haven't seen a convincing argument that Google needs social. I know they believe it, I just haven't seen anything that made a compelling case that it's actually true.

Re: Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Post by idleloops »

epicviking wrote: post #62

Given that you need a google account to access YouTube in the first place, shouldn't google already have all the data they need here? They don't seem to gain much with this...

You don't need a Google account to access YouTube. You might need one to post comments, upload and access private videos - but it's not a necessity.

Re: Google is making a huge and annoying mistake

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Post by rhizome »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #56
nextparadigms wrote: post #45

In the beginning people complained that Google has like a dozen different "Like" buttons on the Reader, Youtube and so on. Now they complain that they want to use just one everywhere? I think it's a great move. Personally, I even want them to integrate their G+ commenting system into all their services. It's one of the best commenting systems out there, and certainly much better than the Youtube one. It might even en…

Agreed. Anedotal - I've been using Youtube since it was released, and I just found out a month or so ago that you don't have to dig through the annoyingly short paginated comments below videos to find replies to yours, there's a page in your dashboard that shows all that. I'm not a heavy Youtube user and don't care that much, but it was not intuitive or apparent. Further, I mostly like G+ (except for one complaint [1…

Yeah, and there's a series of clicks you can use to get to the list of videos that you've favorited, but damned if I can ever remember what they are. Every time I want to find one of my favorites, it takes a maddening number of clicks to get to it.
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