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Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by jojobas »

joshstrange wrote: post #448
jojobas wrote: post #413

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It's a far cry. This thing is a little more that 4k for the entire field of view. Resolution required to render two 4k monitors at comfy distance is more than an order of magnitude away.

An important other aspect though is how much is visible. With foveated rendering does it matter if I have 50 4k monitors? As long as they aren't all in-focus and in-view at the same time? I'm not sure where the limitation is right now (if it's purely a software limitation) but my MBP runs 4 monitors right now and I'd put up with a cord (or two) plugged from my MBP to my AVP if I could have all my monitors in VR. I be…

There's foveated rendering, but there isn't foveated physical resolution. With this cutting edge display resolution you can expect a 1-2 monitors QHD of comfortable angular size and that's it. You could have more out of view but that's your virtual displays. Then again, why exactly? Getting used to some heavy steamy gadget on your head at home/at work so you can also do that on a train? Get real. VR goggles always were a gimmick and will be a gimmick on coming decades. I'd bet we'll have non-visual brain datalink before we have non-gimmick VR.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by diebeforei485 »

Apple will invest in making future hardware generations of this product better (and to some extent deliver improvements to current hardware via software updates) but it seems they cheaped out on the chip. Why does it have an M2, when the 5nm M3 is already available?

As with most Apple products, just like the Apple Watch and the iPhone, I don't think this first gen product is a good buy. Wait for the 2nd gen unless you just want to play with the tech.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by gofreddygo »

Johnie wrote: post #424
zmmmmm wrote: post #276

Lots of surprises on the downside from all the reviews. Pass through much more limited in quality with motion blur, pixelation, distortions, limited color and dynamic range. The eye tracking driven input method which was seen as holy grail turns out to be annoying after a while because people don't naturally always look at what they want to click on. Personas straight up aren't ready. The lack of AR features is the b…

Reminds me of iPhone 1. Everything you've said is reminiscent of the reviews of the first iPhone.

Reminds me of Lisa.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by super256 »

Johnie wrote: post #424
zmmmmm wrote: post #276

Lots of surprises on the downside from all the reviews. Pass through much more limited in quality with motion blur, pixelation, distortions, limited color and dynamic range. The eye tracking driven input method which was seen as holy grail turns out to be annoying after a while because people don't naturally always look at what they want to click on. Personas straight up aren't ready. The lack of AR features is the b…

Reminds me of iPhone 1. Everything you've said is reminiscent of the reviews of the first iPhone.

Most of the issues listed by @zmmmmm are the same issues plaguing other VR headsets for a decade now: motion blur, pixelation, distortions, fake looking colors.

Apple didn’t fix any of them.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by darkteflon »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #358
electroly wrote: post #331

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Apple Maps falls in that category. Maps was bad when it came out but after years of effort (and a lot of money), it's pretty good now. That was no small feat given how good Google Maps already was when Apple Maps started.

In my area (Long Island), Apple Maps works great (better than Google Maps). I hear that it falls down, in rural areas, though. [ edit ] Looks like I pissed in someone’s cereal. Didn’t mean to, but different strokes, and all that… I was just recounting actual personal experience, which, I suppose, isn’t popular, hereabouts. Just for context, I have been writing Apple programs, since 1986. I am totally committed to the…

I generally find the quality of Apple Maps to be quite good here in Tokyo, although unfortunately Google does still seem to have them beat pretty consistently. The recently completed Azabudai Hills complex, for instance, is correctly rendered on GM, while AM still shows the pre-development layout.

However, one bug that is a showstopper in AM is the dreaded “can’t reach the server now”, which I get probably more than half the time I try to use it, and with apparently no solution other than wait.

As a result, I just removed it from my phone.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by leoc »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #314
zmmmmm wrote: post #276

Lots of surprises on the downside from all the reviews. Pass through much more limited in quality with motion blur, pixelation, distortions, limited color and dynamic range. The eye tracking driven input method which was seen as holy grail turns out to be annoying after a while because people don't naturally always look at what they want to click on. Personas straight up aren't ready. The lack of AR features is the b…

I wonder given all this... what the expectations are at Apple from a higher up/board/executive standpoint are Most of Apple offerings are good: Watch iPad Mac iPhone services Are they really expecting this to just be a hard problem initially that they get better at over time? When is the last time they launched a "so so" product?

Watch was cute but fussy and a little pointless when it first came out, and only gradually became really compelling.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by crooked-v »

arctac wrote: post #258

7x the price of Quest 3 which does exactly the same, no thank you.

> exactly the same

Nah. I've tried using the Quest 3 for various things, and at the OS level it just fundamentally sucks for anything but fully immersive games. Multitasking support is close to nonexistent, the hand tracking is crap, the UX is mediocre for even basic things like "sit on the couch and watch a movie", the system is end-to-end filled with small annoyances every time you use it, and there are no signs that Meta has even recognized these problems, let alone have any plans to improve on them.

The difference in functionality is night and day, even including the downsides noted by reviewers.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by whynotminot »

zmmmmm wrote: post #338
wahnfrieden wrote: post #318

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Tim Apple reportedly overrode the design team on launching it prematurely relative to their typical standards in order to enter the market and begin iterating before waiting too long. It’s the first new product category made under his leadership and he’s eyeing retirement, as context. Btw, don’t forget visionOS 2.0 is just 18 weeks away. (Source: WWDC is every June and every platform gets a version bump, as we saw wi…

> It’s the first new product category made under his leadership and he’s eyeing retirement, as context I've been wondering how much this is part of the context here. He may feel some pressure that he hasn't really launched a new major product category from scratch in all his time as CEO and if this has been running 10 years as a project now, that it would be a blemish on his legacy to not get it out the door before h…

This all feels like so much projection.

As far as I can tell Tim Cook has never pretended to be a product guy. He seems perfectly comfortable being what he is: a ruthless operations guru bent on efficiency. In every profile I’ve ever read he’s not really the one making hard product decisions, and seems content to leave that to others better suited for it.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by atonse »

checkyoursudo wrote: post #352
epolanski wrote: post #327

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The first two iWatches were borderline pointless/bad. The first two iPhones weren't as innovative as they make them,just more polished than other symbians with cameras and internet, it took off with apps really in third iteration. I think visionpro has lots of opportunities in the next iterations, early users will provide feedback this gen.

Are current watches good? I genuinely don't know and am interested. I hadn't gotten one because I was an early iPhone adopter (Gen 1), but haven't been willing to be an early adopter since then. But I would like a watch, if they are good now.

I think Apple was smart to focus on Fitness and Health monitoring because that's about the only thing I've found immensely useful with my watch.

Apart from that, yesterday I just played Pickleball with a guy who used his apple watch to keep score. It was a little odd at times but seemed like a cool use.

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