I was expecting more analysis of specific cult-like behavior, which I agree there is quite a lot of. After a close call with a borderline cult in the 2010s I spent a fair bit of time processing that experience and reading up on cult dynamics. Some of the stuff OpenAI employees were saying on Twitter during the weekend crisis raised a lot of yellow flags for me. We should not fool ourselves into thinking that cult-lik…
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#12I was expecting more analysis of specific cult-like behavior, which I agree there is quite a lot of. After a close call with a borderline cult in the 2010s I spent a fair bit of time processing that experience and reading up on cult dynamics. Some of the stuff OpenAI employees were saying on Twitter during the weekend crisis raised a lot of yellow flags for me. We should not fool ourselves into thinking that cult-lik…
I'm curious, given your experiences, if you've read 'Terror, Love and Brainwashing' by Stein? And if so, what did you think of it?
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#13“Deaths that were preventable by the AI that was prevented from existing is a form of murder.” Is he trying to dehumanize critics?
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#14“Deaths that were preventable by the AI that was prevented from existing is a form of murder.” Is he trying to dehumanize critics?
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#15I'd like to make some modest assertions, to push back on fringe ideas I've seen repeated here:
1. For "the singularity" to happen, we probably need something more to happen than just chatGPT to ingest more data or use more processing power.
2. Even if, somehow, chatGPT turned into skynet, we'd hopefully be able to unplug the computer.
3. If you want to save lives, it's probably more useful to think about lives saved today than hypothetical lives you could save 100 years from now. Not that you shouldn't consider the long term, but your ability to predict the future gets worse and worse the farther you project out.
4. If you want to save lives, it's probably more useful to save actual lives, than say, hypothetical simulated lives that exist inside of a computer.
5. The argument that "we're killing more people by delaying time inventing the hypothetical life saving technology" is not very useful either, because you can't actually say how many lives would be saved versus harmed. And mostly it just sounds like a front for "give me more money and less regulations".
6. Reading a bunch of science fiction and getting into fights on an internet forum is not a substitute for education and experience. Unless you've spent a good time studying viruses, you are not a virologist, and while the consensus among virologists can be wrong, you should have the intellectual humility to realize that you are probably not equipped to tell, unless you have expertise in the field.
7. Anything that smacks of eugenics is most likely pseudoscience.
8. If someone talks like a racist / sexist / nazi, or acts like a racist / sexist / nazi, they probably are one. It's probably not a joke, or a test.
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#17One emerging challenge with AI is that we are not seeing strong adoption outside of Chat applications. While every company has pivoted to trying to leverage GenAI - applications outside of OpenAI have ... mixed adoption. This is not dissimilar to mobile in 2008, or cloud circa 2006. It's ok that new applications take time to emerge, but the valuation of firms implies that these technologies have already emerged. Perh…
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#18Welcome to the Church of Bitcoin
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#19“Deaths that were preventable by the AI that was prevented from existing is a form of murder.” Is he trying to dehumanize critics?
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#20Can we finally talk about this site, and how it relates to these cults? There's a number of lesswrong, e/acc, and other pseudo "rationalist" blogs that get shared and upvoted on this site. Most of their assumptions go unchallenged. Not saying they shouldn't be read, or debated. But their writing should be viewed in context - it's fringe stuff, written by people from a peculiar subculture with values out-of-whack with…
And I disagree that "most of their assumptions go unchallenged". I see challenges to the assumptions of lesswrong, e/acc, and other such stuff often here. (Maybe less often than is warranted, but still fairly often.)
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - often attributed to Aristotle, but apparently not actually from him. Still a good thought. We can post about this stuff, and discuss it, without buying it.
I agree with your pushbacks.