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A South Carolina lawmaker is suing Instagram after his son died by suicide

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Re: A South Carolina lawmaker is suing Instagram after his son died by suicide

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Maybe if we weren't so puritanical, this would be less of an issue. So you have a picture of my junk? Ok... nobody wants it and it isn't worth anything. Should I be embarrassed that I have something 50% of other humans have? It'd be interesting to see the differences int his sort of crime in more open cultures.

That is one solution that is impossible to implement. We must recognize that any system that involves people must involve involve people.

Re: A South Carolina lawmaker is suing Instagram after his son died by suicide

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A lot of this is about parent/child relationships and making sure our kids won’t feel such a degree of shame about something like this happening that they’d resort to taking their own life, but also unless these companies have some skin in the game, they have no motivation to help combat these types of things from happening.

Likely internal opinion based on observed external actions:

> Of course not. They're on the platform using it, viewing ads, aren't they?

> I mean, it's a shame that some people die, because they won't be able to view ads, and the negative press might impact other people's opinion of the platform leading to potentially reduced ad view, but, heeeeeyyyyyy it's easy enough to prevent certain platform-hostile opinions from being surfaced too much on the platform, you know? "Vagueries of the Algorithm" and all!

(insert a large rolleyes here)

I'm sure we'll get the Standard Tech Appopollylolly: "We are so, so sorry that you caught us enabling this bad behavior, and we will try to do the work to ensure you don't catch us doing it next time."

> The lawsuit, filed in South Carolina state court last week, accuses Meta’s social media platforms of causing a range of problems in children, including depression, low self-esteem, anxiety and eating disorders. It alleges that Meta uses algorithms to aggressively target adolescents and does not do enough to keep them safe from harm.

Of course it doesn't. Depressed, low self esteem, and anxious? That's their dream user - likely to be online a lot, and easily influenced by Meta's actual customers, those paying to influence the thinking of others. The more people like that Meta can produce out of formerly well adjusted individuals, the more money they make. Their incentives are entirely opposite that of larger society. Healthy, well adjusted, offline individuals are mostly worthless to Meta, because they're likely to be on the platform far less often. You just need enough that the platform looks like it's well adjusted people on it.

I hope the lawsuit succeeds. It's long past time for the social media companies to face the consequences of what they've created for their own short sighted profit numbers.

Re: A South Carolina lawmaker is suing Instagram after his son died by suicide

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post #2

Maybe if we weren't so puritanical, this would be less of an issue. So you have a picture of my junk? Ok... nobody wants it and it isn't worth anything. Should I be embarrassed that I have something 50% of other humans have? It'd be interesting to see the differences int his sort of crime in more open cultures.

It does not necessarily need to be picture of anyone's junk. It does not need even to be a picture. So let's focus on the real issue here. Puritanism or whatever, extortion needs to be impossible.

How does someone make extortion impossible? What does that look like?

Re: A South Carolina lawmaker is suing Instagram after his son died by suicide

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I think the bad guy extortionist should be held accountable but if Instagram cannot identify them then Instagram should be held accountable. These platforms need more traceability. If Instagram were liable for anon bad actors illegal behavior then Instagram would clean up their act with a quickness. There is no incentive to fix anything on these platforms with the current rules.

I see where this is coming from but making platforms fully liable for user content will make it impossible to start a business that includes (semi-) public user interaction at all. Only FAANG-size companies will be able to afford the legal fees attached to that idea.

Re: A South Carolina lawmaker is suing Instagram after his son died by suicide

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I hope this will encourage the lawmaker to ask more of law enforcement. It's their job to track this down. I'm sure Instagram would comply with whatever warrants were issued to them, even ones I'd personally prefer they not.

It's unfortunate that it took this happening to a congresscritter, in their privilege of perfect law enforcement preference, otherwise blind to how LEOs aren't doing their job, to do something. Unfortunately, they're not asking LEOs to do their job, but rather suing the communication medium, even though the same scam could be run through a different communication medium.

Re: A South Carolina lawmaker is suing Instagram after his son died by suicide

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does not necessarily need to be picture of anyone's junk. It does not need even to be a picture. So let's focus on the real issue here. Puritanism or whatever, extortion needs to be impossible.

A war on crime can always be used as a scapegoat for other things, but promoting a culture of resilience through acceptance is a weird thing to hijack IMO.

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Re: A South Carolina lawmaker is suing Instagram after his son died by suicide

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It's would be trivially easy to scan these streams of messages through some kind of ML classifier and identify cases of extortion before they result in suicide. Once the platforms identify the perps, they can block them from the platform. I hope this lawsuit makes the costs of platform inaction so high that they build out detection systems.

It is impossible to exclusively classify bad behavior.

Truth and lie are written the same.

ML is useful because it can continue functioning with ambiguous data. Even so, it can't remove it or resolve it.

Re: A South Carolina lawmaker is suing Instagram after his son died by suicide

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Maybe if we weren't so puritanical, this would be less of an issue. So you have a picture of my junk? Ok... nobody wants it and it isn't worth anything. Should I be embarrassed that I have something 50% of other humans have? It'd be interesting to see the differences int his sort of crime in more open cultures.

These cases may also be effective in situations where the victim has a significant other so the release of private transcripts is not nearly "a picture of their junk".

I think if you want to reduce the shame of people in situations, the absolute best thing to do is to make extortion a crime that law enforcement has the ability to prosecute forcefully. If that's the case, people who are in this situation know that the law and the resources of the law are on their side.

I think this law -> culture change has already been shown to work in similar situations. For instance, when women know that law enforcement will help them investigate sexual harassment/assault it makes it means they have less shame about dressing/socializing how they want.

Re: A South Carolina lawmaker is suing Instagram after his son died by suicide

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> After his death, the scammers sent Guffey a laughing face emoji and a message using a pseudo account on Instagram after the original one was shut down. “It said, ‘did I tell you your son begged for his life?’” Guffey says. They also demanded money in exchange for the photos. I wish there was a special prison for these types of people. Jesus Christ.

Con artists seem to often have a psychopathy that even a lot of violent criminals don't possess.

Gonna get even worse once this sort of work is outsourced to language models en masse

Re: A South Carolina lawmaker is suing Instagram after his son died by suicide

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Maybe if we weren't so puritanical, this would be less of an issue. So you have a picture of my junk? Ok... nobody wants it and it isn't worth anything. Should I be embarrassed that I have something 50% of other humans have? It'd be interesting to see the differences int his sort of crime in more open cultures.

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