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Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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Re: Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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Post by tarsinge »

gexla wrote: post #91
elliotec wrote: post #4

I can't help but think "finally" and "told ya so" regarding this news. It's difficult to describe how massively my life changed when I started keto. Like the subject of the article, I've had Bipolar (1 in my case, they didn't specify their version) for most of my life, since way before it's supposed to manifest in late adolescence. I was misdiagnosed here and there since I was a very young child, but I finally got on…

When I was on a keto phase, one day I noticed that I was so clear headed and energetic that I thought something broke inside me. It was like a persistent coffee kick without the side-effects. I realized that the feeling was probably how "normal" should feel. It changed my views about a lot of things. I would walk down the road and realize how many business fronts were restaurants, of which I had no desire to enter. I…

I have a similar story. I made major lifestyle change. But the thing is, I have got back to eating carbs and retained all the benefits (i.e. clear headless and energy all day long). Bear in mind by carbs I mean whole grain. But still, I wonder if macros are really the culprit and if keto is not placebo on top of something else (at least for me). Maybe it has something to do with insulin and glucose metabolism.

Re: Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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Post by stefs »

shafyy wrote: post #71
spidersenses wrote: post #42

As a person of normal weight, I tried a keto diet a couple of times but just couldn't get it working under vegetarian/vegan dietary restrictions for a daily work + workout schedule. I got either underfed to the point of fainting, had to rely on expensive restaurant meals and questionable supplements, or had to spent an enormous amount of time on meal preparation. So either I approached this in a completely wrong way…

Yes, because there's also no scientific evidence to support these fad diets. Of course, somebody who has been eating like shit and then switches to a "keto" diet will lose weight and might feel better. Scientific evidence is clear that a whole food, plant-based is the best diet. I mean, it also makes common sense to eat a balanced diet to get all the different macro and micro nutritients, minerals and vitamins. The "…

this is completely undifferentiated. whole wheat bread may work well for you but it completely fucks me up. a few slices a day for a few days and i'll start being at risk for throwing up at random times. nutrition is a hightly emotional laden topic and criticizing someone's diet often means criticizing their core values, but that doesn't mean medical experts can't bring their patient's dietary preferences into question.

while you are _probably_ correct that a whole food-plant based, balanced diet is the best way, it just does not work for everyone the same way. some might have allergies and intolerances, some might have a microbial gut biome that doesn't do well on certain foods, some might have other medical conditions (i.e. diabetes) which influences things. for all of them, having a "balanced diet" that doesn't fuck them up means different things.

many of those "fad diets" are actually nothing but tricks to actually introduce something that resembles a balanced diet into the lives of people whose diets are critically off. keto doesn't work because people believe in quick fixes, it PROBABLY works because you can't subsist on dougnuts, frozen pizza and beer anymore. suddenly it's water, spinach, broccoli, carrots and nuts for snacking. for those people, "carbs are ok" doesn't just open the door to bread but also to cake.

furthermore, keto wasn't invented by a snake oil salesman to get rich quick, it's been used as a medical intervention for at least a hundred years.

if you had actually read the article it's precisely about the scientific support for "this fad diet" keto for its effects, which actually aren't well understood. it's clearly stated that there are actually benefits for some people suffering from certain mental illnesses. don't just discard that.

Re: Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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Post by incomingpain »

The article was just published but it's understood why it works, why are they writing as if it's not understood? There's no 'racing' to understand why anymore. The last big keto popularity like 5+ years ago now has enabled years of keto research to happen.

In fact, we also know typical keto ways of exiting the mental health benefits while remaining keto. Sort of traps.

There's many keto types which work. I'm not a believer in net-carbs. Carbs are carbs, limit all carbs to 30g or less per day.

No artificial sweeteners, they all suck. No honey, you don't eat the barf of anything else, why bees? Eggs and Cheese are your big tester of if you can handle those.

In my anecdotal experience, it's crazy how many sugar zombies exist in society. They are all depressed and think the world is ending. They think they are conscious, but they clearly arent, controlled by carb and other cravings.

Something like 80% of north america are zombies?

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10408398.2021.1...

> Our results show that meat abstention (vegetarianism or veganism) is clearly associated with poorer mental health, specifically higher levels of both depression and anxiety.

I would disagree. Veganism is certainly possible, but 99% of vegans will not do what is necessary.

Vegetarianism is not different from veganism in this discussion.

Re: Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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Post by ksala_ »

redeeman wrote: post #13
tmikaeld wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's certainly not the easiest diet to adhere to, it's also surely not the best for the environment I'm able to sustain keto when using Huel Black (17% carbs), but your mileage may vary. And Huel is both vegan and sustainable. (I'm not affiliated, just a user)

What source does huel black use for D12?

I don't know what D12 is (and I haven't been able to find anything from some online searches), but you can find the sources of their vitamins (and other components) in https://eu.huel.com/pages/about-the-vitamins-minerals-in-hue...

If you're talking about B12, they use Cyanocobalamin which is produced by bacterias - Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanocobalamin#Production.

Re: Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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Post by yoaviram »

jijijijij wrote: post #85
yoaviram wrote: post #34

Also worth mentioning that Keto shows promise as a treatment migrants. Here's a good place to start: http://www.ketoformigraine.com/ (I'm not affiliated).

> Also worth mentioning that Keto shows promise as a treatment migrants. Lol. This typo could make it big time! A large urea crystal finally dislocates from Mr. Jordan Peterson's biological urethra, and so he weeps for a white kid getting bullied somewhere. Master P signals the host, who allegedly is in ketosis too, for the recording to keep rolling, although, that goes without saying, he can't speak profoundly at th…

Facepalm

Too bad keto does not help with spelling

Re: Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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Post by shafyy »

stefs wrote: post #102
shafyy wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, because there's also no scientific evidence to support these fad diets. Of course, somebody who has been eating like shit and then switches to a "keto" diet will lose weight and might feel better. Scientific evidence is clear that a whole food, plant-based is the best diet. I mean, it also makes common sense to eat a balanced diet to get all the different macro and micro nutritients, minerals and vitamins. The "…

this is completely undifferentiated. whole wheat bread may work well for you but it completely fucks me up. a few slices a day for a few days and i'll start being at risk for throwing up at random times. nutrition is a hightly emotional laden topic and criticizing someone's diet often means criticizing their core values, but that doesn't mean medical experts can't bring their patient's dietary preferences into questi…

Yes, I agree with most of what you say. I'm sorry if my comment came across as aggressive. I didn't want to offend anybody.

And of course, if you've got a gluten allergy regular bread won't work for you. I know that nutrition is not a one-size-fits-all thing.

But you also have to agree that there are many keto snake oil salesmen.

> keto doesn't work because people believe in quick fixes, it PROBABLY works because you can't subsist on dougnuts, frozen pizza and beer anymore.

Yes, that's better formulated than what I did in my comment.

Re: Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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Post by k8svet »

bad_good_guy wrote: post #40
Almondsetat wrote: post #22

People have shit diets (and they don't realize it) so when they finally decide to stick with a famous one they get results. Every popular diet tells you to eat less and eat natural, keto amongst them. Unless you have allergies: no, it'a not keto, no, it's not Atkins, no, it's not veganism: it's not eating crap.

I'd have to agree with this. A lot of anecdotes about people switching to keto and feeling better, but not giving the context of what kind of food they were eating beforehand. As I'm sure many of us know, a lot of software engineers (to be fair, this applies to most people as well) have very bad diets; buying fast food lunch every day, eating free snacks, etc.

Really wish people would stop invalidating others because of their own god damn protection.

I haven't eaten fast food in decades. Cutting gluten changed my life. Go on everyone, tell me how I'm a fraud.

Re: Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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Post by jijijijij »

yoaviram wrote: post #105
jijijijij wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also worth mentioning that Keto shows promise as a treatment migrants. Lol. This typo could make it big time! A large urea crystal finally dislocates from Mr. Jordan Peterson's biological urethra, and so he weeps for a white kid getting bullied somewhere. Master P signals the host, who allegedly is in ketosis too, for the recording to keep rolling, although, that goes without saying, he can't speak profoundly at th…

Facepalm Too bad keto does not help with spelling

I mean, I get it. Can't type 'migraines' when you swore off all 'grains' ;)

Re: Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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Post by marginalia_nu »

wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #93
marginalia_nu wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's questionable whether it's placebo, or whether the placebo intervention itself is a non-placebo intervention. To partake in a study you need to get out of the house, go somewhere new, talk to new people a few times, do something new, get some daylight, etc. Those are all things we know has a positive effect on depression. Big part of treating depression is to make people do those sorts of things, despite their bo…

Did you read the story, OP has no depression but BiPolar with psychotic episodes and was previously put on epileptic medicine

Right, and I was responding to the remarks made in the parent post about depression.
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