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Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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Post by kapowaz »

smackfu wrote: post #288
astral303 wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not true that Apple is making a killing with the App Store. Where is it visible in their earnings reports? Are you sure that you're not confusing revenue with profit? The App Store runs at just above break even: http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/apple_app_store_runs_... http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20008540-37.html -- figures of less than 1% or 2% of gross profit. That is not "a killing."

Percentage of Apple's overall revenue doesn't matter here. It is amazing Apple somehow spends so much money on reviewing apps and providing the app store that they can't make much money on a 30% cut.

What I find amazing is that people find it so easy to dismiss the cost of running an online store with almost no downtime, delivering music, television episodes, movies and apps to customers all around the world, with fast download speeds, with all the recovery facilities that iCloud offers for past purchases. Apple's famous North Carolina data centre cost about $1 Bn to construct (http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/02/apples-nc-data-cen...). At that price, you'd need to collect 30% of $3.3 Bn in revenues just to break even.

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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Post by mkr-hn »

epo wrote: post #283
mkr-hn wrote: post #270

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You might want to hold off on the ideological rant and re-read. I think cageface was talking about application markets. I didn't know Google was using their market to bail people out and wage a secret resource war.

He said "open markets" you are putting words into his mouth to back up your own. ideology.

I've made no claims about markets. How could you even know if I have an ideology? That was an attempt at clarification so we could avoid the off-topic and inevitably unproductive political tangent batista was about to start.

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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Post by exim »

lazugod wrote: post #289
exim wrote: post #222

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Well, isn't this because that Apple somehow forgot about existence of such a basic concept as FILE?

Are you referring to iOS not exposing a filesystem? If so, could you explain how it is relevant?

Yes, and dropbox is used as a workaround (besides other things of course). I've even seen ios apps where file saving is done by e-mailing it.

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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Post by fromhet »

gavanwoolery wrote: post #215
skrebbel wrote: post #212

Is anyone really surprised? This is what happens if you give a single company so much control over your use of devices. It'll only get worse, we all know that, right?

In my view, it only gets BETTER -- hopefully this is the beginning wakeup call that will get people off of OSX. This has been going on for a long time too, Apple slowly making things more annoying for its users. Especially its developers. (For the record, I own 2 Macs, an iPhone, two Android devices, an iPod, and a PC, so I am not really biased in any given direction...)

With "PC", you mean Windows. Right?

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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Post by hyperbovine »

jasonlotito wrote: post #285
kennywinker wrote: post #18

This has gone way too far. The other day I downloaded the Google Play Books app. I started it up, signed in.. and nothing. No prompt to go buy books online, no hint at what the app does... just a blank screen. It's completely scummy. You can buy Apple's iCloud storage upgrade from within the OS, and now you can't even LINK to a place where you could link to a place where if you click the right link you could buy Drop…

First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Nice one. I couldn't quite put my finger on what this reminded me of, but you nailed it: the Holocaust.

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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Post by jopt »

josteink wrote: post #224

I'm surprised it took Apple this long since launching (the relatively overpriced) iCloud before they started acting like they always do: anti-competitive and monopolistic. In the name of UX ofcourse. It couldn't possibly be because unethical market grabs tend to generate money. Remember: Apple doesn't really care about money. They care about you and all that money they make is just accidental.

Apple has been fighting for their 30% since the beginning. Step by step any exceptions to the 30% rule have been removed.

Is it more ethical to give Dropbox special treatment? Should Dropbox-enabled apps be given that competitive advantage?

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Post by batista »

ChrisLTD wrote: post #273
batista wrote: post #263

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>Lets say (patent issues not withstanding), you created an exact clone of the iPad and iOS and sold it at the same price but without the 30% 'apple tax' on purchases. What "Apple tax"? Haven't you noticed that competitors have struggled to offer the same prices for their tablets for example? The iPad/iPhone is one of the cheapest products on their market segment. Just consider that when everybody expected the iPad to…

He's talking about app and in app purchases, not the cost of the device.

Oh, I see, I was confused by the "exact clone" part.

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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Post by batista »

philbarr wrote: post #268
batista wrote: post #261

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> In the long run the open market always wins. I've never seen an open market in the wild, much less it "always winning". You mean an open market like the "$1 trillion bailout not to collapse the whole economy" open market? Or an open market like "we enforce strict copyright laws to artificially limit each copyrighted product to one maker and it's pricing at his whims"? Or an open market with patents, for the same pu…

That is a fantastic rant about the open market. Do you mind if I use it and claim it as my own someday?

Sure, knock yourself out.

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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Post by jopt »

stickfigure wrote: post #111
alexhaefner wrote: post #108

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I agree with your assertions, and I'd like to bring a bit of rationale to this discussion rather than the "How can Apple be allowed to do this?" and other flamboyant language. This is on Dropbox to fix, not Apple. Imagine you provide a marketplace, and you curate that marketplace. And you say to customers who come to that marketplace "Don't worry, we're going to do everything we can to protect you from bad purchases"…

This is on us to fix - we, the consumers. The way to tell Apple that this behavior is unacceptable is to stop giving them money .

By extension, since Apple is still in business, their behaviour is de facto accepted and thereby necessarily acceptable.

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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Post by smackfu »

kapowaz wrote: post #291
smackfu wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Percentage of Apple's overall revenue doesn't matter here. It is amazing Apple somehow spends so much money on reviewing apps and providing the app store that they can't make much money on a 30% cut.

What I find amazing is that people find it so easy to dismiss the cost of running an online store with almost no downtime, delivering music, television episodes, movies and apps to customers all around the world, with fast download speeds, with all the recovery facilities that iCloud offers for past purchases. Apple's famous North Carolina data centre cost about $1 Bn to construct ( http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/…

Yeah, but who spends a billion dollars on a datacenter??? Only a company with more cash than they know what to do with.
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