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Raspberry Pi Picks Banks for IPO, Choosing London over New York

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Re: Raspberry Pi Picks Banks for IPO, Choosing London over New York

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Post by oliwarner »

esskay wrote: post #61
botanical wrote: post #57

To me it feels like the Raspberry Pi Foundation hasn't met its objective of making computers accessible and affordable to everyone (especially children in disadvantaged areas). Each iteration is so expensive and previous iterations don't lose value or are made cheaper. It's more prudent to spend a bit more for a mini-pc. In South Africa, the average child from a disadvantaged background has no chance of buying a Pi.…

The true cost of a Pi these days can end up being more than a low-end mini pc once you add in all the extras you need to make it work. Power supply, sd card, etc. For education you'll need to throw in keyboard, mouse, speakers, possibly a microphone, monitor, cables, etc. You can easly get to $150 without a monitor when going with a pi vs a lower cost second hand mini pc which is more powerful and upgradable, and can…

The true price of what? The latest Raspberry Pi 5 with 8gb RAM?

What about a Raspberry Pi 1b, a W2 or a Pico? These are all devices that are great for learning computing. Kids can learn on a cheap £20 kit plugged into a TV.

So what if it's used? So what if it's a few years old? The drive, the purpose of these educational projects is to get kids onto them. Doesn't have to be the latest, by any means.

Re: Raspberry Pi Picks Banks for IPO, Choosing London over New York

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Post by benj111 »

graemep wrote: post #68
benj111 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So? I don't know the precise structure, but Wikipedia is 'owned' by the wikimedia foundation. It could be owned by Disney. So the question is, who is the better custodian? A not for profit entity or a for profit one? Raspberry pi is part owned by the raspberry pi foundation. The raspberry pi foundation shouldn't have a profit motive, so in that sense is a better custodian than some for profit 'holding company'. No yo…

Given your Wikipedia example I think my answer would be "neither" :) The problem with non-profits owning profit making businesses is that it makes governance a lot more complex, tends to create conflicts of interest etc.

Is neither an option. A thing has to be owned by some entity. That entity has a choice of being profit making or not.

You may not be satisfied with either of those choices, but that's a separate issue.

A non profit still needs funds. The need for funds is going to create conflicts.

Ultimately it come down to, do you want the millions that raspberry pi is making, going to some venture capitalist. Or do you want it going to some non profit.

If they do decide to milk the cash cow, at least that money is going somewhere hopefully better for society.

Re: Raspberry Pi Picks Banks for IPO, Choosing London over New York

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Post by jacquesm »

michaelt wrote: post #63
jacquesm wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget the Micro:bit and I'm not convinced "Arduino has kinda dropped the ball", they are doing just fine in the marketplace and the gear has come down in price to where $4 gets you a working microcontroller (and $5 for the Raspi 2040 pico). What you can get under $10 these days is mindblowing and if all Arduino ever did was make their IDE which ties 100's of different boards together under a common development…

> I'm not convinced "Arduino has kinda dropped the ball" While Arduino is strong in many regards and was a big improvement on the status quo when it came out in ~2005, they weren't very fast to respond to the rise of the esp8266 and super-low-cost boards made in China. For a long time their cheapest product was the Uno R3 (with a 16 MHz 8-bit ATmega328) for about $25 while you could buy a Wemos D1 mini (with a 160 MH…

Sure, they're not perfect. But they're still in business and their volume is as large as it ever was. The parts stores where I go have whole walls dedicated to Arduino and clones, Raspberry Pi's maybe and other stuff not at all.

Re: Raspberry Pi Picks Banks for IPO, Choosing London over New York

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Post by monkeydust »

esskay wrote: post #61
botanical wrote: post #57

To me it feels like the Raspberry Pi Foundation hasn't met its objective of making computers accessible and affordable to everyone (especially children in disadvantaged areas). Each iteration is so expensive and previous iterations don't lose value or are made cheaper. It's more prudent to spend a bit more for a mini-pc. In South Africa, the average child from a disadvantaged background has no chance of buying a Pi.…

The true cost of a Pi these days can end up being more than a low-end mini pc once you add in all the extras you need to make it work. Power supply, sd card, etc. For education you'll need to throw in keyboard, mouse, speakers, possibly a microphone, monitor, cables, etc. You can easly get to $150 without a monitor when going with a pi vs a lower cost second hand mini pc which is more powerful and upgradable, and can…

Right, which is were I suspect margins are highest and the area they will need to be successful in to keep shareholders happy each quarter.

Huge fan but I just hope this tech IPO that the LSE has been looking for doesn't turn out to be a total dud.

Guess there will be some AI angle in the investor road shows!

Re: Raspberry Pi Picks Banks for IPO, Choosing London over New York

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Post by mschuster91 »

esskay wrote: post #52
cqqxo4zV46cp wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I for one and willing to live with the egg on my face if you actually prove this. I am extremely, extremely skeptical that you are truthfully and wholly representing whatever situation you are referring to.

As I say, its fairly hard to demonstrate 'live' as they delete the posts, but if it helps here's a few reports of it, and related activities: - https://community.element14.com/products/raspberry-pi/f/foru... (lots of similar reports of weird bans) - https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/raspberry-pi-forums-banne... (a few people reporting similar cases / reasons for being banned here) - https://forums.raspberrypi.com/vi…

> And somewhat unrelated to the forum, there's this ... which highlights the issues with the main person who's caused their forums and community to have such a hostile attitude towards its users. The followup interview will let you draw your own conclusions about the head of their social team...

What a ride. The entire story is nuts, from the start (of hiring an ex-cop and have him brag about covert devices, against a user base of traditionally cop-critical nerds) over the completely messed up response to critics over the conspiracy theory spreading and the "being ex cop is like being a Chinese woman" statement in the end.

Re: Raspberry Pi Picks Banks for IPO, Choosing London over New York

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Post by HankB99 »

Astraco wrote: post #30
techdragon wrote: post #5

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Yeah... I have major concerns about how significantly this would impact their ostensible goals. What guarantee is there that the newly publicly listed company won't be pressured by stockholders to improve the profit margins by driving up prices and reducing product quality on both the hardware and software fronts.

Don't worry about prices going up and reducing quality, that have been happening since RPi 4

I've been having issues with their S/W for a while now.

* Couldn't select a current version of the OS to install on a Pi Zero. * Can't install the current version on an SSD that will run on a Pi 4B. An SSD install works. The same install on an SD card does work. * An install that runs on a Pi 5 won't run on a Pi 4B.

I asked about the first on their forum and my post was deleted before anyone could answer. No reason was given and I could find no where to ask.

The post was in no way critical or inflammatory. They just don't want to discuss problems with their stuff. There were a lot of changes in how the imager works and what happens on first boot and I suspect they are still catching up with related bugs.

Re: Raspberry Pi Picks Banks for IPO, Choosing London over New York

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Post by pathartl »

michaelt wrote: post #63
jacquesm wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget the Micro:bit and I'm not convinced "Arduino has kinda dropped the ball", they are doing just fine in the marketplace and the gear has come down in price to where $4 gets you a working microcontroller (and $5 for the Raspi 2040 pico). What you can get under $10 these days is mindblowing and if all Arduino ever did was make their IDE which ties 100's of different boards together under a common development…

> I'm not convinced "Arduino has kinda dropped the ball" While Arduino is strong in many regards and was a big improvement on the status quo when it came out in ~2005, they weren't very fast to respond to the rise of the esp8266 and super-low-cost boards made in China. For a long time their cheapest product was the Uno R3 (with a 16 MHz 8-bit ATmega328) for about $25 while you could buy a Wemos D1 mini (with a 160 MH…

It's wild to me that they still offer the Mega 2560 Rev3 for nearly $50 with a USB-B port.

Re: Raspberry Pi Picks Banks for IPO, Choosing London over New York

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

londons_explore wrote: post #3

Wasn't it supposed to be a charity/non profit foundation? Isn't an IPO kinda the opposite of that? Or is is the fashionable thing these days to claim to be non-profit when you're young and looking for grassroots support, only to transform when there is money to be made?

> Wasn't it supposed to be a charity/non profit foundation?

You answered your question: it was. :-(

Re: Raspberry Pi Picks Banks for IPO, Choosing London over New York

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #69
londons_explore wrote: post #3

Wasn't it supposed to be a charity/non profit foundation? Isn't an IPO kinda the opposite of that? Or is is the fashionable thing these days to claim to be non-profit when you're young and looking for grassroots support, only to transform when there is money to be made?

After Raspberry Pi, OpenAI and Processing Foundation I'll never trust a "non-profit" again

What happened to the Processing Foundation?
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