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Sounds like they are learning their lesson. Fix the actual problem instead of relying on regulatory capture. This is all a sad, ugly mess. A glimmer of hope does give me a warm fuzzy feeling actually.
This time. But only because the spotlight is on them.
Boeing withdraws bid for safety exemption for Boeing 737 MAX 7
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Re: Boeing withdraws bid for safety exemption for Boeing 737 MAX 7
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Regulatory capture … At least they do not handle the people involved, the media or anybody who raise there is a problem … there is still some hope in non-chinese system.
The DOJ acted as Boeing's PR firm in the Jamaica 737 NG crash of N977AN. Obama's DOJ made intentional false statements to media that the NTSB supposedly concluded that faulty bear straps and other structural components weren't a factor when the NTSB hadn't reached any conclusions. It came out later.. > "I'm expecting a gold watch from Boeing at the end of my presidency, because I know that I'm on the list of top sale…
Re: Boeing withdraws bid for safety exemption for Boeing 737 MAX 7
#93I love flying on the Boeing 787 Dreamliner. It is the most comfortable plane I've flown on in terms of how the air quality feels, and it has had 0 hull losses & 0 fatalities; almost as good a safety record as you could hope for as a passenger. I think there are many who agree with me about Dreamliners being the most comfortable planes to fly on. I hope never to fly on another Boeing 737, because of all the accidents…
> I think there are many who agree with me about Dreamliners being the most comfortable planes to fly on I’ve read a lot of complaints across many airlines about economy being very cramped as airlines chose to pack people in like sardines Though business class generally gets good reviews
Re: Boeing withdraws bid for safety exemption for Boeing 737 MAX 7
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I agree with the way you read it entirely. They did not acknowledge and admit wrong doing. They disavowed responsibility and said "we are complying with public pressure against our will". In other words, they don't understand what they did wrong, but people more powerful than them are forcing them to change. "We are being coerced into expending unnecessary resources." They think it is an engineering problem that can…
Seriously. If I or any of my peers at Google back in the day ever talked like this we’d get PIP’d.
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...mm... but they didnt say "we have updated our plan and will now focus on an engineered solution". That's not even a paraphrase of what they said. They said: > we are confident that the proposed time-limited exemption for that system follows established FAA processes When we know that: 1) The established FAA processes resulted in a variation of this aircraft that crashed. 2) The established FAA processes resulted i…
The FAA is 10x more guilty than Boeing. Boeing is not ignoring them, Boeing has benefited from corrupting the FAA.
I have a feeling they'd be much more concerned about not messing up and protecting their reputation if they weren't the only domestic player in town.
Re: Boeing withdraws bid for safety exemption for Boeing 737 MAX 7
#96I love flying on the Boeing 787 Dreamliner. It is the most comfortable plane I've flown on in terms of how the air quality feels, and it has had 0 hull losses & 0 fatalities; almost as good a safety record as you could hope for as a passenger. I think there are many who agree with me about Dreamliners being the most comfortable planes to fly on. I hope never to fly on another Boeing 737, because of all the accidents…
Currently reading "Flying Blind", which was recommended on another recent Boeing thread. Not done yet, but I think it boils down to - Boeing had a pretty strong engineering driven culture for a long time - In the 90s, McDonnell Douglas bought Boeing with Boeing's money and McDD management took over, which was a mostly Jack Welch inspired bunch of value extraction types - Engineering culture started decaying, drastic…
Re: Boeing withdraws bid for safety exemption for Boeing 737 MAX 7
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Currently reading "Flying Blind", which was recommended on another recent Boeing thread. Not done yet, but I think it boils down to - Boeing had a pretty strong engineering driven culture for a long time - In the 90s, McDonnell Douglas bought Boeing with Boeing's money and McDD management took over, which was a mostly Jack Welch inspired bunch of value extraction types - Engineering culture started decaying, drastic…
Interesting. I didn't realize that 737 MAX started after Dreamliner. That would seem to be a possible explanation.
For the 737 Max, they were very late and had to react to Airbus much better neo offering, and didn't have the time and/or money and/or capabilities to develop a new airplane, so a lot of in the end deadly compromises had to be made to somehow bypass training and security certification as much as possible using the old airframe at low cost.
Re: Boeing withdraws bid for safety exemption for Boeing 737 MAX 7
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> I think there are many who agree with me about Dreamliners being the most comfortable planes to fly on I’ve read a lot of complaints across many airlines about economy being very cramped as airlines chose to pack people in like sardines Though business class generally gets good reviews
I've found it to be the opposite of that. More legroom on economy. Perhaps narrower, though?
Re: Boeing withdraws bid for safety exemption for Boeing 737 MAX 7
#99The trouble is, Boeing hasn't built a new single-aisle transport since the 757, which first flew in 1982. There was supposed to be a 797 by now, but it keeps slipping into the far future. So they're still cranking out 737 variants, a 1960s design. This is pathetic. Boeing could end up losing out to the COMAC C919, which, although years late, is finally flying a few routes.
Why is it troublesome? As someone with very limited knowledge in aircraft development, I'm genuinely curious about what more modern designs would bring to the table compared to the modern 737s, which I assume are heavily updated versions of the original 1960s design?
After the first crashed MAX's FDR data release, I was wondering if there were something massing with the pilots but I wasn't sure. Then the 2nd crash happened and the FDR data looked almost exactly the same, I was almost certain there was some undisclosed mechanism causing nose diving. But as we all knew, Boeing denied such thing until later.
You can see that in the whole Boeing had been SUPER CONFIDENT for sure, and thus I now have no confidence in it at all.
Re: Boeing withdraws bid for safety exemption for Boeing 737 MAX 7
#100I love flying on the Boeing 787 Dreamliner. It is the most comfortable plane I've flown on in terms of how the air quality feels, and it has had 0 hull losses & 0 fatalities; almost as good a safety record as you could hope for as a passenger. I think there are many who agree with me about Dreamliners being the most comfortable planes to fly on. I hope never to fly on another Boeing 737, because of all the accidents…