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Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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Re: Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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Post by aszantu »

wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #57
spidersenses wrote: post #42

As a person of normal weight, I tried a keto diet a couple of times but just couldn't get it working under vegetarian/vegan dietary restrictions for a daily work + workout schedule. I got either underfed to the point of fainting, had to rely on expensive restaurant meals and questionable supplements, or had to spent an enormous amount of time on meal preparation. So either I approached this in a completely wrong way…

Keto isn't normal for anyone. It's your body going into emergency starving mode. It might be good to do every now and then, just like fasting, but it's not normal. It's not easy for any type of diet and just a few carbs will kick you out of ketosis. But especially for Vegan, then it's mostly nuts & avocado's you can eat.

sad thing here is, that nuts often have mycotoxins in them, double whammy

Re: Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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Post by kilmanio »

yurishimo wrote: post #72
sigmoid10 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the real answer. Keto, Paleo, intermittent fasting... all these things work exactly the same way: by limiting your calorie intake. When the population approaches an obesity rate of 40% (not overweight, clinical obesity!), anything you try will help to counteract the highly processed, far too calorie dense food we get on every corner. People swear on their own diet approach because of some biochemical aspect,…

> all these things work exactly the same way: by limiting your calorie intake. While this is broadly true, I think it's also important to convey that the hormones involved also play a huge role. There are plenty of people who stay in a calorie deficit* and still gain weight because they spike insulin with a snack or a meal every two hours. Keto works so well because it doesn't spike insulin as much, on top of the gre…

But then aren't they by definition not at a calorie deficit?

Re: Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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Post by tmikaeld »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #75
tmikaeld wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How often per day did you eat and did you measure your keto levels? Thing is that if you over-do it and have too high keto-levels, you can get poisoned by it and that certainly have a high level of stress on the body. (The old man points this out in your video) Also, if you don't eat often enough, you may not trigger insulin and thus won't get hungry at all and get to little calories (thus dropping in weight).

> How often per day did you eat and did you measure your keto levels? You mean using a breathalyzer? I did not find them to be very consistent.

They're not, it's better to use keto-sticks, which you urinate on. That's what i use.

Re: Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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Post by villmann »

ilitirit wrote: post #51

I don't think you really need keto, but I think many people could benefit from just training themselves to eat fewer times a day, and developing an aversion to sugar and unhealthy food in general. I don't eat breakfast - haven't done so for more than 20 years. It doesn't affect my enerygy levels or mood. It always made me wonder why we even had it in the first place. All I have is a cup of black coffee, no sugar. Som…

Newphew of Freud invented breakfast (:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/nov/28/breakfa...

Re: Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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Post by jijijijij »

yoaviram wrote: post #34

Also worth mentioning that Keto shows promise as a treatment migrants. Here's a good place to start: http://www.ketoformigraine.com/ (I'm not affiliated).

> Also worth mentioning that Keto shows promise as a treatment migrants.

Lol. This typo could make it big time!

A large urea crystal finally dislocates from Mr. Jordan Peterson's biological urethra, and so he weeps for a white kid getting bullied somewhere. Master P signals the host, who allegedly is in ketosis too, for the recording to keep rolling, although, that goes without saying, he can't speak profoundly at the moment. With uberwill and force, simply not possible running on carbs, he bravely breaks through weltschmerz vocal chord spasms, faintly reaching peak insight for the audience: "It's not just a diet; it's a revelation of white genocide!"

Re: Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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Post by watwut »

pavlov wrote: post #65

As a counterexample, a dear friend of mine has a cluster of mental illnesses which are clearly made worse by his ceaseless keto diet obsession. He didn't need an eating disorder on top of all the other issues he already had, but that's where he's ended up by consuming diet advice from the internet.

Diet advice I collected from HN: no matter how much you eat, you should eat less. Ideally you should eat once a day and exercise a lot. You should pick one of those highly restricted diets too, completely excluding at least one food group.

Also, no reason to ever worry about lack of anything (iron, vitamins, minerals, whatever), none of that is ever an issue.

Re: Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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Post by kilmanio »

spidersenses wrote: post #77
OJFord wrote: post #64

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> primarily an ovo-lacto vegetarian, only occasionally vegan That's like an omnivore saying they're occasionally vegan because not 100% meals contain meat or dairy?

Let's just say, that every once in a while I go vegan for a couple of days or weeks. That's slightly different from the "accidentally vegan" meal. If it was possible to combine keto, a meat-free diet, and intermittent fasting, without breaking the bank or breaking the body, that would be the dream.

The word you're looking for is plant-based. There is no such thing as a traffic-light vegan.

Re: Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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Post by watwut »

yoaviram wrote: post #34

Also worth mentioning that Keto shows promise as a treatment migrants. Here's a good place to start: http://www.ketoformigraine.com/ (I'm not affiliated).

I really wondered how does it treat migrants, like they wont come at all or they have some sickness that gets help with keto? So the link was actually useful as it migraines

Re: Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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Post by wouldbecouldbe »

jdietrich wrote: post #80
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #63

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Jeez, chill out. You have zero proof & did zero research on this person, yet trying to put someone who down sees profound benefit with the good old: "it's just placebo". Just because there is no direct studies backing it up yet doesn't mean there isn't real effect. Could be keto, could be lack of certain starches or other foods, could be the focus & rhytm, whatever it is let's not discourage someone who is having a g…

>You have zero proof Proof of what? I fully accept that this guy finds keto really helpful and I have made no effort to dispute that. There is a world of difference between "a thing that some people find helpful" and "an evidence-based clinical intervention". >Just because there is no direct studies backing it up yet doesn't mean there isn't real effect. The entire point of my comment is that the chance of there bein…

Your chance calculation has zero arguments & zero proof.

You do know things can be effective without evidence-based clinical trials?

Just because there isn't any clinical trial done on it, doesn't mean it defaults to a placebo effect. What makes this case even more convincing is that there is literature on Epilepsy and keto, and OP was on put on epileptic medicine before: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6361831/

Everything new, and old but unprofitable, lack clinical trials. Clinical trials are extremely hard and expensive. Especially on complicated issues with hard to control variables: for instance mental issues with similar symptoms might have different causes.

Clinical trials are trying to prove what works safely for a large group, that's it, nothing more.

Re: Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

tmikaeld wrote: post #83
MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How often per day did you eat and did you measure your keto levels? You mean using a breathalyzer? I did not find them to be very consistent.

They're not, it's better to use keto-sticks, which you urinate on. That's what i use.

I found them to be unreliable, too. The colors would go dark when switching into ketosis, and then while in ketosis revert back, as the body adapts its keton body production and the urine levels would go down again. Which I guess isn't "unreliable", just doesn't tell you that much.
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