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Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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Re: Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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I mean we already know switching to a keto based diet can have massive effects on the brain, it's been used to treat seizures since the 1920s, so it's not surprising it would have more effects.

And fasting has been a part of human spiritual (read: "psychological") practices for millennia. It's no surprise that it does something to the psyche.

Re: Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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People have shit diets (and they don't realize it) so when they finally decide to stick with a famous one they get results. Every popular diet tells you to eat less and eat natural, keto amongst them.

Unless you have allergies: no, it'a not keto, no, it's not Atkins, no, it's not veganism: it's not eating crap.

Re: Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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Interesting. Is that all you eat in a day? It looks like the lowest carb flavor is unsweetened and unflavored at 65g net for the daily 5x meals/servings (assuming there are no sugar alcohols, which they don't list on the label). That's pretty close to my maximum but definitely doable if I'm active. I could see doing 2 servings or half a day's worth and then continuing with the old eggs, avocados, and meat. Wouldn't b…

Yep, eventually I combine it with - as you say - the standard eggs/avocados/meat. It varies though and I use keto-sticks to check what level I'm at. And like you say, depends on daily activity. I'm not a fan of vegan food in general (hard to get tasty), Huel is what I can tolerate.

I get on pretty well with Huel, pro-tip, get used to the unflavoured unsweetened version, it's dull like porridge but not unpleasant, if you are going for every day, there's no flavour to get bored of. Also, while the idea of throwing a shot of espresso in there seems appealing and maybe a time saver, no...

Re: Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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People have shit diets (and they don't realize it) so when they finally decide to stick with a famous one they get results. Every popular diet tells you to eat less and eat natural, keto amongst them. Unless you have allergies: no, it'a not keto, no, it's not Atkins, no, it's not veganism: it's not eating crap.

That’s being awfully dismissive about what keto is, it’s not just a diet, it’s an actual state you maintain your body in which is why it’s being looked into for helping people out.

Re: Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, eventually I combine it with - as you say - the standard eggs/avocados/meat. It varies though and I use keto-sticks to check what level I'm at. And like you say, depends on daily activity. I'm not a fan of vegan food in general (hard to get tasty), Huel is what I can tolerate.

I get on pretty well with Huel, pro-tip, get used to the unflavoured unsweetened version, it's dull like porridge but not unpleasant, if you are going for every day, there's no flavour to get bored of. Also, while the idea of throwing a shot of espresso in there seems appealing and maybe a time saver, no...

How long have you done it for?

Re: Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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A PSA: Pigs and chickens (and likely most Monogastric animals, which includes you) tend to bioaccumulate polyunsaturated fat from their feed, though the specifics will depend on the breed and circumstances. Pigs and chickens fed on soybean meal can have polyunsaturated fat percentages that rival or exceed what you see in vegetable oils. Also note that the nutrition label can often be outright wrong/outdated.

Polyunsaturated fat has a big tendency to exacerbate mental issues, for a variety of possible reasons but a big one likely being that it can result in chronic systemic inflammation.

So don’t make the mistake of thinking “animal fat = saturated fat” like I did, and ending up triggering a major depressive episode. Ruminants (cows/goats/sheep) seem remarkably resistant to this accumulation even when fed shitty meal.

Re: Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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I can't help but think "finally" and "told ya so" regarding this news. It's difficult to describe how massively my life changed when I started keto. Like the subject of the article, I've had Bipolar (1 in my case, they didn't specify their version) for most of my life, since way before it's supposed to manifest in late adolescence. I was misdiagnosed here and there since I was a very young child, but I finally got on…

In currently taking Lamictal for similar reasons, and your comment really made me curious. Any particular resources you would recommend on how to switch to keto?

Honestly, the subreddit is one of the better places to start. Check out the FAQ here: https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/wiki/faq, and go through the resources in the sidebar on the sub!

Re: Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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I lost a lot of weight on ketosis several years ago but could not maintain the diet and gained it all back shortly after. Since then I've found something that works better for my body that I can sustain which keeps some of the principles of keto.

I no longer limit my carbs, but when I eat carbs they come from rice and potatoes instead of wheat because I wore a CGM for two-week periods of time multiple times last year and the year prior and found that wheat was always the number one culprit spiking my blood sugar which would result in massive carb crashes, which overall affected my energy levels which snowball into negative second-order effects on my feelings of productivity and mood.

Re: Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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Keto just ignores the real issue - microbial (im)balance. It might help short-term (that's relative) , but it's not a fix for gut health. Humans are unspecialised frugivores. Our teeth be flat like for eat fruits and plants, not for tear meat. And our digestion system be long, cherry for fiber. Da kine sweet ono loa!

> Humans are unspecialised frugivores.

While this is true for some ape species, it is not true for the human or our ancestors in the Homo genus. [1, 2].

> Our teeth be flat like for eat fruits and plants, not for tear meat.

That is not true. Human teeth are specialized for an omnivore diet.

> The best evidence that humans are omnivores comes from the teeth. Humans have short canines that are a functional consequence of having an enlarged cranium and associated reduction of the size of the jaws. In other primates, the canines are comparatively longer than humans as they function as both defense weapons and visual threat devices. Interestingly though, both Gorillas and gelada baboons prefer vegetarian diets. Humans may have no need for long pointy canines as carnivores do for such use, particularly for capturing prey and threatening enemies. They do have canines that are pointy enough to serve the purpose of tearing meat. The molars and premolars, in turn, are used to crush food. [3]

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_habilis#Diet

2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_erectus#Food

3: https://www.biologyonline.com/articles/humans-omnivores

Re: Patients say keto helps with mental illness. Science is racing to understand why

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Keto just ignores the real issue - microbial (im)balance. It might help short-term (that's relative) , but it's not a fix for gut health. Humans are unspecialised frugivores. Our teeth be flat like for eat fruits and plants, not for tear meat. And our digestion system be long, cherry for fiber. Da kine sweet ono loa!

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