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Boeing withdraws bid for safety exemption for Boeing 737 MAX 7

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Re: Boeing withdraws bid for safety exemption for Boeing 737 MAX 7

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> Boeing said late on Monday "while we are confident that the proposed time-limited exemption for that system follows established FAA processes to ensure safe operation, we will instead incorporate an engineering solution that will be completed during the certification process." Anybody else get the exact opposite of a warm fuzzy feeling about the specific wording choice used by Boeing there?

I agree with the way you read it entirely. They did not acknowledge and admit wrong doing. They disavowed responsibility and said "we are complying with public pressure against our will". In other words, they don't understand what they did wrong, but people more powerful than them are forcing them to change. "We are being coerced into expending unnecessary resources." They think it is an engineering problem that can…

> They did not acknowledge and admit wrong doing.

Of course not. Wouldn't it just open them up to legal liability and additional lawsuits if they admitted wrong doing? It seems like saying "we have updated our plan and will now focus on an engineered solution" is exactly the kind of language I would expect from a large corporation that has made such visible failures as to be very vulnerable to lawsuits. I am not even sure they might have current pending lawsuits against them right now which could be made worse if they admit wrongdoing.

Re: Boeing withdraws bid for safety exemption for Boeing 737 MAX 7

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I honestly don’t even know anymore if I’m living in a cracked / badly modded version of the sims, how can one wake up in the morning and seek for a safety exemption regarding I quote the article: She noted the exemption Boeing had sought "involves an anti-ice system that can overheat and cause the engine nacelle to break apart and fall off. This could generate fuselage-penetrating debris, which could endanger passeng…

> how can one wake up in the morning and seek for a safety exemption regarding

It's because planes with this same issue are currently flying and it's an easily managed issue (i.e. don't use it when certain conditions happen).

Boeing was hoping to add another model to the list of planes currently grandfathered in, but decided not to do that and instead fix it, and then back-port the fix to the currently flying planes.

Re: Boeing withdraws bid for safety exemption for Boeing 737 MAX 7

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post #7

> Boeing said late on Monday "while we are confident that the proposed time-limited exemption for that system follows established FAA processes to ensure safe operation, we will instead incorporate an engineering solution that will be completed during the certification process." Anybody else get the exact opposite of a warm fuzzy feeling about the specific wording choice used by Boeing there?

Sounds like they are learning their lesson. Fix the actual problem instead of relying on regulatory capture. This is all a sad, ugly mess. A glimmer of hope does give me a warm fuzzy feeling actually.

This time. But only because the spotlight is on them.

Re: Boeing withdraws bid for safety exemption for Boeing 737 MAX 7

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post #7

> Boeing said late on Monday "while we are confident that the proposed time-limited exemption for that system follows established FAA processes to ensure safe operation, we will instead incorporate an engineering solution that will be completed during the certification process." Anybody else get the exact opposite of a warm fuzzy feeling about the specific wording choice used by Boeing there?

Did I hear you say MCAS? It’s interesting that FAA avoided naked corruption case with pushing this through, but they were unable to simply reject exemption either. Somehow, external pressure was required to avoid worst case.

Yep, MCAS was an “engineering solution”. Hopefully this time they’ll at least document their “engineering solution” for the people who have to fly the damn thing.

Re: Boeing withdraws bid for safety exemption for Boeing 737 MAX 7

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post #7

> Boeing said late on Monday "while we are confident that the proposed time-limited exemption for that system follows established FAA processes to ensure safe operation, we will instead incorporate an engineering solution that will be completed during the certification process." Anybody else get the exact opposite of a warm fuzzy feeling about the specific wording choice used by Boeing there?

I agree with the way you read it entirely. They did not acknowledge and admit wrong doing. They disavowed responsibility and said "we are complying with public pressure against our will". In other words, they don't understand what they did wrong, but people more powerful than them are forcing them to change. "We are being coerced into expending unnecessary resources." They think it is an engineering problem that can…

There is never enough money, that is why they are rich whilst you just have satisfied with caviars… especially for those who think they are good and right engineering solution and the money is theirs. You should be grateful instead … /sarcastic

Re: Boeing withdraws bid for safety exemption for Boeing 737 MAX 7

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post #11
post #7

> Boeing said late on Monday "while we are confident that the proposed time-limited exemption for that system follows established FAA processes to ensure safe operation, we will instead incorporate an engineering solution that will be completed during the certification process." Anybody else get the exact opposite of a warm fuzzy feeling about the specific wording choice used by Boeing there?

Sounds like they are learning their lesson. Fix the actual problem instead of relying on regulatory capture. This is all a sad, ugly mess. A glimmer of hope does give me a warm fuzzy feeling actually.

Regulatory capture …

At least they do not handle the people involved, the media or anybody who raise there is a problem … there is still some hope in non-chinese system.

Re: Boeing withdraws bid for safety exemption for Boeing 737 MAX 7

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I don't understand. Is Boeing using a different anti-ice system on the engines for the MAX 7 compared to the other MAX variants? They use the same engines, no? Why would the MAX 7 need a safety exemption for a system that should be identical across the 4 variants?

The AD applies to all 737s using that same engine: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/08/10/2023-17... However, the MAX 8 and MAX 9 had already been certified and delivered before this AD was published, while the MAX 7 had delays in certification.

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Re: Boeing withdraws bid for safety exemption for Boeing 737 MAX 7

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post #7

> Boeing said late on Monday "while we are confident that the proposed time-limited exemption for that system follows established FAA processes to ensure safe operation, we will instead incorporate an engineering solution that will be completed during the certification process." Anybody else get the exact opposite of a warm fuzzy feeling about the specific wording choice used by Boeing there?

I agree with the way you read it entirely. They did not acknowledge and admit wrong doing. They disavowed responsibility and said "we are complying with public pressure against our will". In other words, they don't understand what they did wrong, but people more powerful than them are forcing them to change. "We are being coerced into expending unnecessary resources." They think it is an engineering problem that can…

Seriously. If I or any of my peers at Google back in the day ever talked like this we’d get PIP’d.
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