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I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by pas »

brlewis wrote: post #835
garfieldnate wrote: post #813

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Quick google search of the AZ law says it will tax solar energy exported to other states and divide the proceeds among the local residents, which sounds a bit more nuanced than your summary. Not saying it's positive, but it's not clear to me that it's negative without more details; some form of this could incentivize more of the land to be used for solar, for example. I actually thought that this sort of law would be…

>I actually thought that this sort of law would be disallowed by the fed, since they reserve the right to govern interstate commerce Yes, the US Constitution gives regulation of interstate commerce to the federal government, but this has been worked around. Lots of states have "use tax" which is an obvious[1] tax on interstate commerce, but they skirt the Constitution by saying they're taxing "use" of the goods purch…

... hm, and what would current SCOTUS say about this? the DoJ or other states don't want to push it because probably they would lose? (or states would just again and again come up with silly new taxes, so enforcement would be hard in general?)

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by pas »

angra_mainyu wrote: post #830
nojvek wrote: post #742

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I am personally pretty opposed to taxing co2 emissions and playing games with carbon credit. We should not be making energy expensive for the lay person. Provide subsidies to build new solar, wind and nuclear farms - sure. The world will quickly adapt renewable energy if it is much cheaper and convenient to use it. In similar vein, for god sake don’t tax solar panels above usual tax rate. I’m looking at Arizona. The…

Question for anyone reading, why do I see some comments (like this one) greyed out? Never understood it. Is it something like a downvoted comment? I fail to see a downvote button (which I am happy about).

downvote buttons appear somewhere above ~500 karma and as a comment gets old the downvote button disappears

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by Tarq0n »

tsss wrote: post #818
eximius wrote: post #665

It's extremely frustrating to watch our world deteriorating because politicians aren't willing to actually do their jobs and govern. I'd go even stronger and, for the US, pass regulations that all emissions of all kinds must be captured or the company will be fined double the cost of environmental remediation as executed by contractors employed by the government (scaling from 1% of the fine to 100% of the fine over X…

They are governing according to the will of the people (to some degree). Fact is that outside the western intelligentsia nobody really gives a shit about climate change and why would they? For people without children, certainly it is not their problem. The world's resources are plenty enough for this generation and even the next. Everyone else would be stupid to sacrifice their own wealth for an absolutely minuscule…

Resouces, maybe. But they'll experience a refugee crisis in their lifetimes unlike any seen before, as well as potential food insecurity.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by pvaldes »

pk-protect-ai wrote: post #400
refurb wrote: post #359

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Humanity not surviving? That seems completely unlinked to any sort of scientific consensus.

Oh... How many mass extinction events have humanity survived as a species so far? I would also like to see this data... pretty please?

We should ask this to an archeologist, but If I remember correctly we dodge the bullet a few times. Almost gone 900.000 years ago. Human DNA points to several genetical bottlenecks.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by chasd00 »

askonomm wrote: post #613
chasd00 wrote: post #601

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> Consumer prices are 35% lower in Finland, rent prices are 70% lower in Finland, when comparing to SF. When comparing to SF, 90% of the planet is that much more affordable. Sheesh there’s more to the world than the plight of San Francisco.

Who I was responding to said they are from SF, hence why I compared data to SF.

My bad

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by defrost »

t0bia_s wrote: post #827
defrost wrote: post #791

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Cutting to the guts of the question: > How do you know? posed in ignorance (perhaps genuine ignorance, perhaps feigned) above, we (humans) have been measuring gas properties in isolation for 200 years (and more) and have been specifically measuring (and storing as bottled samples) atmospheric gas composition since the start of the Cold War.. seventy odd years or so now. Much of our high quality environmental data com…

Those data from measured ocean temperature needs to be readjusted: Before about 1940, the most common method for measuring sea surface temperature was to throw a bucket attached to a rope overboard from a ship, haul it back up, and read the water temperature. The method was far from perfect. Depending on the air temperature, the water temperature could change as the bucket was pulled from the water. (1) In the late 1…

You've provided links to things the vast bulk of people in earth sciences, particularly climatic related earth and atmospherics are already well aware of.

Yet they, in near majority, still stand behind the broad predictions of future climate change - even being aware of the work of Smale and Lorenz .. perhaps it's that 40+ year old understanding of stability, robustness, and the Dzhanibekov effect in which the broad arc of motion is entirely predictable despite wobbles on a minor axis or two.

Normalisation and may other adjustments to data sets are stock in trade operations across all the observational sciences- geophysical mineral exploration, radiometric surveying, radio astronomy, distributed signal aquisition, etc. etc. etc. You'll note for example that NASA et al are out in front about doing such things.

Predictions of trains headed for derailment based on speed, mass, and topography are not refuted by an inability to predict where the centrepiece vase in the dining car comes to rest.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by pk-protect-ai »

dang wrote: post #847
pk-protect-ai wrote: post #330

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The video link was correct at the start. I believe that OP has decided to change it due to rate of doomism and rising depression levels.

No, it was a mod error (copy-paste failure or something like that - see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39170137 ). Submitters can't change URLs once they've submitted.

Nice error that have caused removal of the topic from the top.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by pk-protect-ai »

ajross wrote: post #848
pk-protect-ai wrote: post #824

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extinction_events https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clathrate_gun_hypothesis Citation: The associated period of massive carbon release into the atmosphere has been estimated to have lasted from 20,000 to 50,000 years. The entire warm period lasted for about 200,000 years. Global temperatures increased by 5–8 °C.[21] The hot-models Sabine referred to are in range of 4.8 - 5.6 if I'm n…

So, to avoid engaging in a Gish Gallop on this issue, I'm going to ignore the specifics except to point out that neither of those links says anything about human extinction at all. It is reasonable to be concerned. But deploying easily-refuted hyperbole makes your (our!) cause MORE likely to be ignored as crackpot nonsense, not less.

Do you really mean that humans can survive without ecosystem? Mass extinction events are causing chain reactions ... I do not care about the causes. I'm not a climate activist. I'm just an average guy that can't do a squat and tired to be afraid for my children's future. I just accepted the fact that humanity will destroy itself sooner or later. I do not see any point in expecting wonders.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by matt-attack »

cassepipe wrote: post #641
matt-attack wrote: post #605

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What’s wrong with Sweden? I thought they were generally regarded as a sane well run country. Has that changed?

It's a joke. The nasty neighbour is obviously Russia and the comment below pretended that Sweden was meant instead

Thank you. I must stop scoffing at others on HN when they don't get what I consider to be obvious jokes, as it seems I too am capable of missing obvious humor.

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Post by whoknowsidont »

gitaarik wrote: post #803
Version467 wrote: post #631

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You're free to dislike the book, but I can't really follow your criticism. The book is clearly not "based on vibes". It's chock full of data to support the authors claims. Now you might argue that the data either doesn't support the claims made, or you might doubt its legitimacy, but instead of providing a reason you just told me that it should be obvious why the book is nonsense. That doesn't really give me a lot to…

Indeed, hopefulness is much better and productive than hopelessness. As long as it's done in a realistic way, not denying the facts, not cherry picking data, etc. Hopeful people can accomplish a lot more than hopeless people.

>hopefulness is much better and productive than hopelessness.

Being pragmatic is not hopelessness. You have to admit what the problems are, and the book does not do that.

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