Excited to see how Gab users react to having to provide a government ID to use it.
Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16
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Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16
#582I might be the only one here in favor of this, and wanting to see a federal rollout. It is not reasonable to expect parents to spontaneously agree on a strategy for keeping kids off social media- and that kind of coordination is what it would take, because the kids + social media companies have more than enough time to coordinate workarounds. Have the law put the social media companies on the parents side, or these k…
I'm in favor of this if the only enforcement actions are against social media companies for being predatory, and not against families for breaking the law and allowing their kids on social media. And it's useful for indicating that social media on the balance is not good for kids.
Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16
#583Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can be in favor but in the US it is unconstitutional for a gov to broadly restrict speech. It's why each of these age verification + social media laws eventually get tossed. Legislators know this (or are too dumb to) but it's not their own dollars that are getting burned during this vote-baiting performance.
honest question, is an american child granted the right of free speech? or do you get that right at a certain age?
> is an american child granted the right of free speech? or do you get that right at a certain age?
This isn't the right way to frame the question. The Constitution prohibits government actors from infringing upon the right to free speech[0], including that of children; meaning e.g. an attempt to censor a child's treatise on some subject would be as illegal as doing the same to an adult. It's not that you get a "free speech license" when you turn 18. The restrictions on government power applies whether or not the person being infringed upon is a minor or an adult.
[0]: This isn't an absolute, unqualified right. A child breaking into a profanity-laden tirade in the middle of class at a public (meaning taxpayer-funded and an extension of the government) school may believe they are exercising their First Amendment rights, but the school may still legally send that child home, for example, on the grounds that it disrupts the schooling of other children.
Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16
#584Earlier quoted context omitted.
And what makes a site a social media site? Anywhere you can post interactive content? You do realize that laws like this would apply to sites like HN, Reddit, the comment section of every blog, and every phpBB forum you ever used? It's not just Instagram and Tiktok.
I think a perfectly clear line could be drawn that would separate out phpBB from TikTok very easily. I genuinely don't understand this comment, we shouldn't do it because it's hard or the results might be imperfect?
> I genuinely don't understand this comment, we shouldn't do it because it's hard or the results might be imperfect?
Yes. Imperfect solutions, when driven by the government, don’t change for decades, causing terrible consequences.
“SSH is a munition” comes to mind.
Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16
#585I might be the only one here in favor of this, and wanting to see a federal rollout. It is not reasonable to expect parents to spontaneously agree on a strategy for keeping kids off social media- and that kind of coordination is what it would take, because the kids + social media companies have more than enough time to coordinate workarounds. Have the law put the social media companies on the parents side, or these k…
Can they use email? Text? The telephone?
It’s dumb policy, because Florida GOP. The smart move is to target advertising for kids. If you attack the ability to advertise to the underage audience using mom’s iPad, social media will self police.
Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16
#586Earlier quoted context omitted.
A small transaction would cover 99% of cases (e.g., pay a dollar that's immediately refunded). It would stop kids from casually creating accounts. The kids who can do this are already precocious enough to bypass any other verification steps you could come up with. Maybe if they use a profile pic that you algorithmically determine is someone underage, you could do some additional checks. The smart ones would learn not…
I wonder if it'd really cover anything remotely close to 99% of cases. Even if 100% of parents knew about it and watched their credit cards enough to notice a $1 refunded transaction it just takes something like one friend in high school with a credit card to sign up all their little brother's friends. It may even just cause more credit cards being shared around than kids it stops from getting to the site they want o…
Reminds me of a scene in the South Park episode The Scoots where they needed a credit card for those e-scooters.
All the kids had memorized several of their parents CC numbers, including backups if someone didn't accept AmEx
Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16
#587Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lately I'm repeatedly reminded of how in Ecuador citizens, when interviewed during a protest, see it as a normal thing to tell their name as well as their personal ID number into the camera when also speaking about their position in regards of the protest. They stand to what they are saying without hiding. Since about half a year I've noticed the German Twitter section getting sunk in hate posts, people disrespecting…
I wonder what percentage of the hate stuff is bots.
My experience with propaganda bots is that the really nasty hate stuff will usually be posted by actual, real people (perhaps as a result of being prodded by bot-provided outrage), and bots will rather have all kinds of more subtle hinting and agenda-pushing - because bots are managed by semi-professionals who care about bots not being blocked and (often) don't really care about the agenda they're pushing, while there also is a substantial minority of semi-crazy people who just don't care and will escalate from zero to Hitler in a few minutes.
Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16
#588Go after advertising and data collection and the problem solves itself.
Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16
#589Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not if this were widespread. I wouldn’t be too bothered if the government knew that I either watched an R-rated movie or rented a car or purchased alcohol or created a Facebook account.
Now do need an abortion or sought out gender affirming care. Today’s “no big deal” can become tomorrow’s privacy nightmare.
You missed the either in GP's comment. i.e. they know you did one of those things because you requested an over-18 token, but not which one. The more covered activities there are, the more uncertainty they have about why you might have asked for a token.
Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16
#590Earlier quoted context omitted.
But the only way to do this is to require ID checks, effectively regulating and destroying the anonymous nature of the internet (and probably unconstitutional under the First Amendment, to boot.) It's the same problem with requiring age verification for porn. It's not that anyone wants kids to have easy access to this stuff, but that any of these laws will either be (a) unenforceable and useless, or (b) draconian and…
> But the only way to do this is to require ID checks, effectively regulating and destroying the anonymous nature of the internet That seems intuitive, but it's not actually true. I suggest looking up zero-knowledge proofs. Using modern cryptography, it is easy to send a machine-generated proof to your social media provider that your government-provided ID says your age is ≥ 16, without revealing anything else about…
A super interesting example of this is the proof-of-passport project.
https://github.com/zk-passport/proof-of-passport
Today you can scan your passport with your phone, and get enough digitally signed material chained up to nation level passport authorities to prove anything derived from the information on your passport.
You could prove to an arbitrary verifier that you have a US passport, that your first name starts with the letter F, and that you were born in July before 1970, and literally share zero other information.