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On-prem, fully-integrated compute and storage solution with cloud-like APIs to provision resources, all with a commitment to open source.

Do you know if they support GPUs or whatever is needed to host LLM models?

The current product does not have any GPUs in it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39183072

Re: Helios: A distribution of Illumos powering the Oxide Rack

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On-prem, fully-integrated compute and storage solution with cloud-like APIs to provision resources, all with a commitment to open source.

Mainframe 2.0

This is really not accurate in any way that matters I don't think. It's a mainframe in as much as you buy a rack and spec it out. It's not a mainframe in that the performance is typical server performance rather than the mainframe profile which is very different and requires different considerations, the compute model is typical server compute rather than the mainframe compute model which (aside from compatibility layers) is a radically different environment to build software for.

Re: Helios: A distribution of Illumos powering the Oxide Rack

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For what it’s worth, there’s a somewhat common view at least in the Linux community that it’s important for hardware vendors to make their tech stack targetable from the office or home. This isn’t to be polite or to make money — it’s to foster adoption among developers, which drives sales. Some examples: x86 owned the desktop, workstation and laptop world for a long time. So everyone targeted x86, which made x86 the…

I certainly understand that strategy generally, see also Adobe giving Photoshop licenses to students back in the day so that they'd be familiar professionally. It's just that doing so amounts to building an entirely new product, and as a relatively young startup, focus is more important. We're going deep, not wide. Someday :) > (Also, I get the idea behind two SKUs, but can buyers at least configure storage and compu…

Until then maybe sell a few to schools to provision for student access?

A future of developers and CTOs who grew up with Oxide!

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Linux is a nightmare in the embedded/appliance space because one ends up just having platform engineers who spend their day fixing problems with the latest kernels, drivers, core libraries, etc, that the actual application depends on. Or one goes the route of 99% of the IoT/etc vendors, and never update the base OS and pray that there aren't any active exploits targeting it. This is why a lot of medium-sized companie…

CentOS wasn’t used in embedded systems.

Even Windows was and is used substantially in embedded systems.

Re: Helios: A distribution of Illumos powering the Oxide Rack

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It seems like the folks on HN tend to think the world runs on AWS (I'm not trying to say they don't have a huge market share), but many huge enterprises still run their own datacenters and buy ungodly amounts of hardware. The products that are on the market for an AWS-like experience on-prem are still fairly horrible. A lot of times the solutions are collaborations between vendors, which makes support a huge pain (fi…

With DHH and others promoting a post-SaaS approach (once.com, etc.) we might see hardware refresh as cost-cutting. Astronomical compute bills and lack of granularity bring all things cloudy into sharp focus.

What they are doing is SaaS by stealth.

You buy their product once, but it only has bug and security fixes for 3 years.

Which means every business is going to need to upgrade on a cycle anyway.

Re: Helios: A distribution of Illumos powering the Oxide Rack

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I had been using SmartOS for a long time but finally had to bite the bullet and give up. I ended up deciding on Proxmox on a ZFS root and am quite happy with it.

I've been running smartos at least since 2015 where I co-located my server. There have been times where I felt like giving up, but people like danmcd, jperkin and others always stepped in and fixed what needed to be fixed for LX to be usable and working. (Keeping java updated and running is hard, uphill battle. Thanks!) I always ran a mixture of OS and LX zones and bcantrill's t-shirt with "Save the whales, kill your…

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Re: Helios: A distribution of Illumos powering the Oxide Rack

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I certainly understand that strategy generally, see also Adobe giving Photoshop licenses to students back in the day so that they'd be familiar professionally. It's just that doing so amounts to building an entirely new product, and as a relatively young startup, focus is more important. We're going deep, not wide. Someday :) > (Also, I get the idea behind two SKUs, but can buyers at least configure storage and compu…

Until then maybe sell a few to schools to provision for student access? A future of developers and CTOs who grew up with Oxide!

My friends and I had a small server set up in college, and those were some of the best times of those years. :D

Re: Helios: A distribution of Illumos powering the Oxide Rack

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So, your comment was not dead when I saw it. This reply was, but apparently now has been vouched for. > What happened to Project X (supposedly coreboot++ for latest AMD CPUs)? I don't recall what you're referring to specifically, maybe this was a thing before I started at Oxide. I do know that we deliberately decided to not go with coreboot. I believe the equivalent component would be phbl[1]. It boots illumos direct…

To see more on "Project X", see the Phoronix article on it. At the very least, it would be resourceful if the Oxide devs had a chat with the Project X devs who have since given up - learnings can be had and time can be saved. And yes, coreboot itself is now untennable, but is also kind of a slang for the a category of deblobbed software.

If you're referring to this: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Project-X-AMD-Zen-Coreboot

This seems to make no mention of Oxide at all. Perhaps you're connecting two different unrelated organizations together as Oxide appears to have never had any relation to it. I think you're just perhaps confused about what the situation is.

Re: Helios: A distribution of Illumos powering the Oxide Rack

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There are no GPUs in the rack, so pretty bad, haha. We certainly understand that there's space in the market for a GPU-focused product, but that's a different one than the one we're starting the company off with. There's additional challenge with how we as a company desire openness, and GPUs are incredibly proprietary. We'll see what the future brings. Luckily for us many people still desire good old classic CPU comp…

Would pass-through to VM work? At $work I'm running SmartOS servers with GPU passing to a ubuntu bhyve for the occasional CUDA compute and it works wonderfully. Wonder if similar could be possible with Helios?

The software interface isn't the problem: the problem is that there are no physical GPUs in the product. There's nothing to pass through.

Re: Helios: A distribution of Illumos powering the Oxide Rack

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I’m unfamiliar with illumos so I went to their webpage and the very first thing it says is: > illumos is a Unix operating system Is illumos an actual Unix (like macOS) or a Unix-like OS (like GNU/Linux)?

It was an open source branch of Solaris that Ian Murdock worked on while he was at Sun under the name Project Indiana. It descends from UNIX SVR4.
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