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Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by solarpunk »

soared wrote: post #466
Tadpole9181 wrote: post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And now the state of Florida has a receipt of every website you ever visit. That will surely never be an issue when the Governor's private law enforcement arm looks through it or the inevitable data leak happens.

The intention of the API is for that to not be possible. > The privacy of this API relies on that fact: the issuer is unable to correlate its issuances on one site with redemptions on another site. If the issuer gives out N tokens each to M users, and later receives up to N*M requests for redemption on various sites, the issuer can't correlate those redemption requests to any user identity (unless M = 1). It learns o…

would this mean if the issuer experiences an outage you'd be unable to access sites?

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by kbelder »

tootie wrote: post #412
causal wrote: post #36

I might be the only one here in favor of this, and wanting to see a federal rollout. It is not reasonable to expect parents to spontaneously agree on a strategy for keeping kids off social media- and that kind of coordination is what it would take, because the kids + social media companies have more than enough time to coordinate workarounds. Have the law put the social media companies on the parents side, or these k…

I have two teens and have yet to see the negative effects of social media for them or any of their peers. Not to say it doesn't exist, but I sincerely doubt it's as awful as the doomsayers think. My personal observation of being raised in he 80s is that kids were far more awful to each other then than now.

Fits my observation.

Every generation has this freakout about something or another. I expect modern kids will end up better at handling social media than their parents are.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by ZunarJ5 »

lukev wrote: post #210
causal wrote: post #36

I might be the only one here in favor of this, and wanting to see a federal rollout. It is not reasonable to expect parents to spontaneously agree on a strategy for keeping kids off social media- and that kind of coordination is what it would take, because the kids + social media companies have more than enough time to coordinate workarounds. Have the law put the social media companies on the parents side, or these k…

But the only way to do this is to require ID checks, effectively regulating and destroying the anonymous nature of the internet (and probably unconstitutional under the First Amendment, to boot.) It's the same problem with requiring age verification for porn. It's not that anyone wants kids to have easy access to this stuff, but that any of these laws will either be (a) unenforceable and useless, or (b) draconian and…

We say this is the only way, but what about regulating these companies properly???

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by trogdor »

jijijijij wrote: post #402
causal wrote: post #36

I might be the only one here in favor of this, and wanting to see a federal rollout. It is not reasonable to expect parents to spontaneously agree on a strategy for keeping kids off social media- and that kind of coordination is what it would take, because the kids + social media companies have more than enough time to coordinate workarounds. Have the law put the social media companies on the parents side, or these k…

I am an adult and I wish someone would take social media away from me. Honestly, I think social media has done more harm than good and I wish it would just cease to exist. However, especially in Florida, social media may be the only way for some teens to escape political and religious lunacy and I fear for them. I think it's not wise to applaud them taking away means of communication to the "outside", in the context…

>I am an adult and I wish someone would take social media away from me.

Why don’t you take it away from yourself? Just delete your account.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by vlovich123 »

satellite2 wrote: post #420
jlokier wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But the only way to do this is to require ID checks, effectively regulating and destroying the anonymous nature of the internet That seems intuitive, but it's not actually true. I suggest looking up zero-knowledge proofs. Using modern cryptography, it is easy to send a machine-generated proof to your social media provider that your government-provided ID says your age is ≥ 16, without revealing anything else about…

I'm not a cryptographer so I might miss something but I have the impression that - either a stolen card can be reused thousands of time meaning that it's so easy to get a fake that it's not worth the implementation cost - either there is away to uniquely identify a card and then it becomes another identifier like tracking ids.

mDL wide scale rollout works be using the trusted computing element that is part of your phone and enrollment would be the same as obtaining a driver’s license in the first place.

There is no physical card - there is an attestation that only an enrolled device can hand out with revocation support in case of security flaws.

Is it going to be absolutely secure? No. The cost just needs to be high enough that it becomes inaccessible to the vast majority of adolescents.

Theft of your parents phone becomes a lot easier attack vector but phone biometrics/password requirements will thwart that for most parents.

This doesn’t need to be 100% fool proof.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by brewdad »

dullcrisp wrote: post #501
dotancohen wrote: post #477

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government need not know what sites you visit. It is damaging enough that the government know that you are visiting sites that require an age verification. You can then be flagged for parallel construction if you should, I don't know, start a rival political party.

Not if this were widespread. I wouldn’t be too bothered if the government knew that I either watched an R-rated movie or rented a car or purchased alcohol or created a Facebook account.

Now do need an abortion or sought out gender affirming care. Today’s “no big deal” can become tomorrow’s privacy nightmare.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by forgetfreeman »

lukev wrote: post #210
causal wrote: post #36

I might be the only one here in favor of this, and wanting to see a federal rollout. It is not reasonable to expect parents to spontaneously agree on a strategy for keeping kids off social media- and that kind of coordination is what it would take, because the kids + social media companies have more than enough time to coordinate workarounds. Have the law put the social media companies on the parents side, or these k…

But the only way to do this is to require ID checks, effectively regulating and destroying the anonymous nature of the internet (and probably unconstitutional under the First Amendment, to boot.) It's the same problem with requiring age verification for porn. It's not that anyone wants kids to have easy access to this stuff, but that any of these laws will either be (a) unenforceable and useless, or (b) draconian and…

The internet has not been anonymous in fact or theory for decades now, and if you think the government can't get your complete browsing history on a whim I'm guessing you haven't paid any attention to the news about NSA buying user data bundles from online brokers. That said, "muh freedoms" is hardly a quality argument in the face of the widely documented pervasive harms caused to children by exposure to social media. The logical extreme of your position would be to declare smoking in public a form of self-expression and then demand age limits be removed for the sale of tobacco products because First Amendment. :P

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by vlovich123 »

Aurornis wrote: post #444
jlokier wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But the only way to do this is to require ID checks, effectively regulating and destroying the anonymous nature of the internet That seems intuitive, but it's not actually true. I suggest looking up zero-knowledge proofs. Using modern cryptography, it is easy to send a machine-generated proof to your social media provider that your government-provided ID says your age is ≥ 16, without revealing anything else about…

> The government doesn't learn which web sites you visit, and the web sites don't learn anything about you other than you are certified to be age ≥ 16. If the zero-knowledge proof doesn't communicate anything other than the result of an age check, then the trivial exploit is for 1 person to upload an ID to the internet and every kid everywhere to use it. It's not sufficient to check if someone has access to an ID whe…

As I mentioned elsewhere, you’re falling for letting perfect be the enemy of good. The ZKP + phone biometrics only needs to raise the cost of bypass above what adolescents have access to. And no, you can’t just share the same ID because there’s revocation support in the mDL and it’s difficult to extract the raw data once it’s stored on the trusted element. This is very similar to how credit cards on phones work which are generally very difficult to steal.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by whatasaas »

I don’t want to verify myself and I don’t trust the government to not work with Facebook to say they are doing some “zero knowledge proof” and still map us all. Implement a fine for parents in Florida. Let it stay Florida’s problem. If the Amish were in charge we would all be in trouble. Raise your own kids.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by zamadatix »

ZunarJ5 wrote: post #523
lukev wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the only way to do this is to require ID checks, effectively regulating and destroying the anonymous nature of the internet (and probably unconstitutional under the First Amendment, to boot.) It's the same problem with requiring age verification for porn. It's not that anyone wants kids to have easy access to this stuff, but that any of these laws will either be (a) unenforceable and useless, or (b) draconian and…

We say this is the only way, but what about regulating these companies properly???

"Regulating them properly" could mean a lot of things to a lot of people. Do you mean e.g. just not allowing porn on the internet or do you mean e.g. just not requiring identification verification? If neither, what way of regulation that allows distinction without banning content or identifying users?
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