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Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by frompom »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #252
jsheard wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Resolution is the killer for that application. The panels in the Vision Pro are dense, but through the distortion of the optics and with those pixels stretched over your entire field of view only a fraction of them will actually be displaying your virtual monitor(s), and as you scale a monitor down in virtual space it also becomes lower resolution. For comfort and ergonomics you don't actually want a giant monitor th…

23 million pixels, divided by two, makes 12.5 MP per eye. Let's assume it's nearly square, so taking the square root gives us 3535 pixels in height and width. This graphic claims 3400x3400 resolution, so we're not far off: https://i.redd.it/apple-vision-pro-resolution-vs-other-heads... Frustratingly, the spec sheet doesn't list FOV, but let's assume it's on the order of 110 degrees. That gives us about 31 pixels per…

Keep in mind that the lens distorts the pixels so the density is not uniform across the FOV. Word is the PPD is 50-70 in the center, and beyond 60 is not visible.

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Post by sytelus »

saagarjha wrote: post #68
sytelus wrote: post #29

I was going to impulse buy it but then they have put so many barriers that impulse buy is not possible. You must measure your face and have eye prescription ready! Wtf? I am in my bed and not going to do that for the privilege of pressing buy button. Now it’s not surprising that it’s still not sold out.

You can enter your prescription later.

They didn't said that. Classic sales mistake.

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Post by turquoisevar »

anonred wrote: post #236
noelrock wrote: post #181

Too many people seem to be confusing prior product critical commentary being invalid with all product critical commentary being invalid. Apple Vision Pro won't do much as a product - it'll struggle for even minimal adaption and will be eventually all but withdrawn within 24 months. The patents etc may eventually lead to a compelling product. But I'd be very confident I could look back at this comment and be proven co…

Would you be willing to bet a token amount, say the current base cost of a Vision Pro ($3500), that in 48 months (giving you some buffer here) Apple has fully withdrawn support for the Vision line and does not release a new model? That’s the real test of confidence. I personally think you’re way off the mark and am willing to put money on the line. Are you?

I too would like to participate in this bet on your side.

I read their first paragraph and thought to myself that it was a reasonable stance, only to then be followed up with ridiculous stuff that straight up slides off the other end of the spectrum.

Gotta admire the confidence though, however misplaced it might be.

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Post by amazingman »

_chu1 wrote: post #183

What exactly is the Vision Pro? AR goggles? VR goggles? Does it have hardware inside? Can it play VR games? The name certainly doesn't tell me anything, and the price point makes sure I won't ever see one.

iPod, Macintosh, AirPods, iOS, Google, Yahoo, Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, Mastodon, BlueSky. What do they do? The names certainly don't tell us.

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Post by faeriechangling »

tiffanyh wrote: post #36
pavlov wrote: post #9

The last time Apple introduced a new general purpose computing device was the iPad, 14 years ago. This one just doesn’t feel as big. When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. Those are exactly the weak points of the Vision Pro: it’s very expensive and very heavy, according to reports. The hands-on sessions that Apple…

> When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. I remember history a bit differently. I recall lots of people dismissing the iPad as " just a big iPod Touch".

There were tear downs showing this tiny little iPod shaped SoC shoved into the case and connected to a massive battery. The SoC was underpowered considering it was running a 1024x768 screen and support was dropped almost immediately.

The iPad 2 teardown showed an SoC which seemed a lot more custom designed for the iPad, and the "big iPod" criticism died around that point.

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Post by nojvek »

IMO the next big computing device is glasses with fashionable look like Aviators or Ray Bans. A private screen, speaker, and finger tracking.

It could even be a glasses and a band you wear on wrist that accurately track finger motion even though fingers are not in view of the glasses.

You don’t want to look like a Glasshole - hence it needs to look normal and fashionable.

You definitely don’t want to be talking to it all the time. It’s not private and voice bandwidth is like 8 bytes / second. This is where rabbit and other devices get it wrong.

The reason iPhone took off was its touch sensitive and responsivess was above and beyond what anyone has. The homescreen app model is great UX.

I essentially want something like Meta Rayban with a screen and finger tracking. The fingers could be under a table while I am sitting and it should still work.

Essentially like the Apple Watch but for your eyes. Non-obtrusive, fashionable, highly responsive, full day operation.

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Post by [deleted] »

dcchambers wrote: post #273
lukev wrote: post #191

A lot of people in the comments here complaining about the price, but honestly it makes a ton of sense to me. Apple isn't positioning this as a peripheral or secondary computing device. They are staking the claim (via price and otherwise) that this is a whole computer that you should use for Very Serious Productivity. Whereas the iPad (for example) was always kind of assumed to be a secondary/casual computing device,…

If the only way to install software is via a regulated app store, it's not a general purpose computing device for serious computing.

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Post by GavinMcG »

dcchambers wrote: post #273
lukev wrote: post #191

A lot of people in the comments here complaining about the price, but honestly it makes a ton of sense to me. Apple isn't positioning this as a peripheral or secondary computing device. They are staking the claim (via price and otherwise) that this is a whole computer that you should use for Very Serious Productivity. Whereas the iPad (for example) was always kind of assumed to be a secondary/casual computing device,…

If the only way to install software is via a regulated app store, it's not a general purpose computing device for serious computing.

The commment said serious productivity, though. Many people don’t need general purpose serious computation in order to be seriously productive—they need certain tools and a certain environment.

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Post by LeifCarrotson »

jsheard wrote: post #263
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

23 million pixels, divided by two, makes 12.5 MP per eye. Let's assume it's nearly square, so taking the square root gives us 3535 pixels in height and width. This graphic claims 3400x3400 resolution, so we're not far off: https://i.redd.it/apple-vision-pro-resolution-vs-other-heads... Frustratingly, the spec sheet doesn't list FOV, but let's assume it's on the order of 110 degrees. That gives us about 31 pixels per…

Another detail to consider is that your 24" monitor is probably benefiting from subpixel font rendering effectively tripling the horizontal resolution of text, but that can only work on a pixel-perfect display, not on a virtual display which is scaled and transformed before being displayed on a real panel. I agree low DPI monitors are still acceptable, I'm using one now, but that's really contingent on subpixel fonts…

I don't personally use Apple products, but I do have some trust that they can get font rendering right. The browser window I'm looking at right now is a subset of my monitor, and could be considered a 'virtual display', but subpixel rendering works in that region. There's no reason other than laziness or lack of vertical integration that it wouldn't work in a virtual environment.

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Post by inquirerGeneral »

frou_dh wrote: post #65
tiffanyh wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. I remember history a bit differently. I recall lots of people dismissing the iPad as " just a big iPod Touch".

To a first approximation, that's what it still is all these years later. The software might be called iPadOS now but it's not fooling anyone that it's much different to iOS.

OT: yes this is still true for “create link” on iOS though Chrome and Edge both have the option

From 2022 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33328944

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