OpenAI: Copy, Steal, Paste
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OpenAI: Copy, Steal, Paste
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#2Can't agree more. These AI systems have been built on the back of free labor for decades. We will look back on this and wonder how we essentially subsidized these behemoth corporations, then allowed them to extract subscription fees back from the very people it took the labor from.
Don't get me wrong, there are genuine innovations in AI and ML. But, on the same token, you can't have ChatGPT without content.
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#3Can't agree more. These AI systems have been built on the back of free labor for decades. We will look back on this and wonder how we essentially subsidized these behemoth corporations, then allowed them to extract subscription fees back from the very people it took the labor from. Don't get me wrong, there are genuine innovations in AI and ML. But, on the same token, you can't have ChatGPT without content.
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#4Hard disagree. The whole concept of copyright is unnatural and technology evolution is showing its limits.
In the same way a writer reads books and use that knowledge to create more, an ai model can do the same.
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#5I think we need something like copyright exemptions premised on an LLM equivalent of GPL. You can train the model on whatever, but if it includes copyrighted content, then you either have to release everything fully open (training data, code, weights) or pay to license the training data. Likewise, any fine-tunes used in a commercial setting inherit the same license and requirements. And outputs can’t be copyrighted.
This will of course never happen because of AI’s part in the new Cold War with China, but it seems the only way to equitably resolve all the theft and running roughshod over other people’s work that the current landscape twists itself into knots trying to justify.
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#6Can't agree more. These AI systems have been built on the back of free labor for decades. We will look back on this and wonder how we essentially subsidized these behemoth corporations, then allowed them to extract subscription fees back from the very people it took the labor from. Don't get me wrong, there are genuine innovations in AI and ML. But, on the same token, you can't have ChatGPT without content.
>These AI systems have been built on the back of free labor for decades.
In practical terms, is that different from Google becoming a trillion-dollar company from its search offering?
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#7"Of course, we might fail. If that happens, well, we can actually see what that future looks like. Cory Doctorow, blogger and science fiction writer, coined the pungent word, "Enshittification" for it. By this, he means the fall off in the quality of online sites and information."
But I wonder why newsrooms do not see the potential silver lining in the long-run? If the open Web becomes an AI-fueled garbage bin, as it certainly seems, it would seem reasonable to expect that the value of quality sources of information would increase and not decrease, provided that these sources are either technically or judicially blocked from feeding into the AIs.
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#8Can't agree more. These AI systems have been built on the back of free labor for decades. We will look back on this and wonder how we essentially subsidized these behemoth corporations, then allowed them to extract subscription fees back from the very people it took the labor from. Don't get me wrong, there are genuine innovations in AI and ML. But, on the same token, you can't have ChatGPT without content.
>These AI systems have been built on the back of free labor for decades. In practical terms, is that different from Google becoming a trillion-dollar company from its search offering?
Yeah, I think, even at the most facial level, the output from an LLM or visual generative model is nothing like what you get as a search result, which is really only an index.
Maybe you can provide us with an argument as to why you think it's so obvious that they are similar?
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#9It seems obvious to me that a system in which intellectual property can be ingested into an artificial intelligence system and then provide no value to the original creator is unsustainable.
The value of content that is generated through real-world effort like research and investigation will plummet towards zero. And then what? You can't just have a society built off of LLMs feeding each other.
It also feels obvious that it's going to be very hard to enforce any kind of rules around this.
And further obvious that our current legal framework was not built with this kind of situation in mind, and that any decisions around rules right now are going to have an outsized impact on the path we take into the future.
So what now? Are we going to let some panel of judges rule on whether training violates copyright, and call it a day?
We're going to need some good, nuanced, well-intentioned debate and come up with a coherent set of rules that to create a fair and sustainable system.
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#10Hard disagree. The whole concept of copyright is unnatural and technology evolution is showing its limits. In the same way a writer reads books and use that knowledge to create more, an ai model can do the same.
> In the same way a writer reads books and use that knowledge to create more
How would writers do this if copyright is stifling as you say?