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Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by dartharva »

anshumankmr wrote: post #146
rpmisms wrote: post #100

This is good. Seriously, the damage it does is massive, kids should not be on Instagram, Snapchat, or Tiktok.

What about an Instagram for Kids type thing? Like there is YouTube for kids, Make it ad-free (I know this is a pipe dream, but at the very least it should have ads from companies that do not sell gambling apps), scrolling time limits (that actually work which should be a bare minimum), chronological time feed

NO. The base concept of Social Networks by itself is harmful. It does not matter how much you "improve" those things.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by blitz_skull »

lukev wrote: post #210
causal wrote: post #36

I might be the only one here in favor of this, and wanting to see a federal rollout. It is not reasonable to expect parents to spontaneously agree on a strategy for keeping kids off social media- and that kind of coordination is what it would take, because the kids + social media companies have more than enough time to coordinate workarounds. Have the law put the social media companies on the parents side, or these k…

But the only way to do this is to require ID checks, effectively regulating and destroying the anonymous nature of the internet (and probably unconstitutional under the First Amendment, to boot.) It's the same problem with requiring age verification for porn. It's not that anyone wants kids to have easy access to this stuff, but that any of these laws will either be (a) unenforceable and useless, or (b) draconian and…

You know, I'm not really sure that requiring IDs for access to porn / social media is a terrible idea. Sure it's been anonymous and free since the advent of the internet, but perhaps it's time to change that. After all, we don't allow a kid into a brothel or allow them to engage in prostitution (for good reasons), and porn is equally destructive.

But with the topic at hand being social media, I think a lot of the same issues and solutions apply. It's harmful to allow kids to interact with anyone and everyone at any given time. Boundaries are healthy.

Aaaaand, finally there's much less destruction of human livelihood by guns than both of the aforementioned topics if we measure "destruction" by "living a significantly impoverished life from the standard of emotional and mental wellbeing". I doubt we could even get hard numbers on the number of marriages destroyed by pornography, which yield broken households, which yield countless emotional and mental problems.

So, no, guns aren't something we should discuss first. Also, guns have utility including but not limited to defending yourself and your family. Porn has absolutely zero utility, and social media is pretty damn close, but not zero utility.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by soared »

jcranmer wrote: post #211
scythe wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I guess for me it depends on what the law considers "social media". It's a bill written by the Florida House of Representatives, so there's a definition there. Mind you, it's the Florida House, which has put out some extremely bad laws in its current session -- from "Parental Rights in Education" to the Disney speech retaliation. But given that this is a less ostensibly partisan issue, there are reasons for hope. T…

> The definition seems narrowly tailored The fact that are well over a dozen exceptions carved out strongly suggests that the definition is anything but narrowly tailored, and the authors of the bill preferred to add in exceptions to everyone who objected rather than rethinking their broad definitions. 1a-c will be trivially satisfied by anything that "has user accounts" and "allow users to comment". 1e is clearly me…

Agreed - they’re effectively banning most commonly used websites and then carving out exceptions.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by gnicholas »

piperswe wrote: post #254
gnicholas wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Minors don't have the same First Amendment rights as adults. For example, government-run schools can have speech codes that students must obey. Although I have not read this bill, the general notion blurs the line between speech and action a bit, which would make it easier to pass muster.

My understanding is that minors _do_ have first amendment rights, and school restrictions on speech can only apply to instances which disrupt the learning environment.

Yes, they do have First Amendment rights, just not to the same degree as adults. This is the same as other rights — they can't buy guns, vote, etc. either. The point is that it's definitely not a slam dunk case as claimed. I'd love to hear a constitutional lawyer weigh in, if there are any here. I used to be a lawyer, but this was never my specialty.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by geogra4 »

I remember when I was 10 years old at a computer camp during the summer at a local college. They had me set up my first email account with hotmail. They all asked us to lie about our age. I think even then they had restrictions that you had to be 13 years old.

But - that was over 25 years ago. The internet was a much different place.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by [deleted] »

tokai wrote: post #90

Its impressive how people here, that should know better, are cheering this on - just because they are parents themselves. Even disregarding the legality, its not going to work technically. The perceived safety of ones kids really crosses some wires in parents.

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Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by nojvek »

What if the social network is created by kids?

I guess I need to write to my representatives.

It's funny that the Republicans tout they are the party of "freedom", yet restrict the liberties.

Why not let parents decide how they want to raise their kids?

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by [deleted] »

dvngnt_ wrote: post #116

i don't know why people are cheering for this? the government shouldn't take the place of the parents. I think the real reason is they don't like how tiktok is creating activists out of the next generation of voters. we should demand better from big tech but banning does nothing to improve platforms. so many adults here were on forums, 4chan, mmos, ventrilo growing up, even Facebook which was useful keeping in touch…

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Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by CaptainFever »

Tadpole9181 wrote: post #223
thsksbd wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So these are objections in practice, not principle. Important but consider: - Most states give free IDs - Your safety concern is addressed by other commenters here (see the verifying age anonymously)

How about this: I don't want every little thing I do on the internet tracked and tied to my real identity? Is the CCP conducting a psyops on HN right now or something? Since when were we all for every tiny interaction you have on the internet requiring you to look in the scanner and say "My name is X and I love my government and McDonalds"?

HN seems to have become a lot more mainstream, in comparison to the old cyberlibertarian "privacy and piracy" days.
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