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Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by serialNumber »

Ekaros wrote: post #38
mccrory wrote: post #29

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Then they can say goodbye to most online gaming. I wonder how people will feel about this when they realize their kids can’t play games anymore?

Pretty good. Pretty good. I would go to argue that online games do more harm than good to children and teenagers. In many ways banning them from playing them might steer them to more productive use of time.

Must children's use of time be "productive"? They have their whole lives to be productive - outright banning video games is not the solution in my eyes

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by ryandvm »

anshumankmr wrote: post #146
rpmisms wrote: post #100

This is good. Seriously, the damage it does is massive, kids should not be on Instagram, Snapchat, or Tiktok.

What about an Instagram for Kids type thing? Like there is YouTube for kids, Make it ad-free (I know this is a pipe dream, but at the very least it should have ads from companies that do not sell gambling apps), scrolling time limits (that actually work which should be a bare minimum), chronological time feed

Great idea. We could also give them clove cigarettes until they're old enough to smoke!

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by thsksbd »

nickthegreek wrote: post #79
thsksbd wrote: post #55

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Why not? Honestly asking here. Let's assume oposition to the law is a "progressive" position: If there is a constitutional right to absolutely 100% friction free access to information then what happens to all the barriers the government has erected to access covid, Trump, Russia and other "disinformation" progressive pushed for? (You can invert this example for a right wing if you want)

Not everyone has a credit card. Some people cannot obtain a credit card. People under the age of 18 can also have a credit card. I do not trust random sites with my credit card.

So these are objections in practice, not principle. Important but consider:

- Most states give free IDs

- Your safety concern is addressed by other commenters here (see the verifying age anonymously)

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by thomastjeffery »

tzs wrote: post #165
thomastjeffery wrote: post #105

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Then there is a data breach, and every person in the country is de-anonymized. No thank you.

A data breach where? The central authority should be someplace that already has your non-anonymous ID data, so using your ID for age verification doesn't give them any new ID information. The only new thing that them doing age verification adds is that they might keep a list of verification tokens they have issued. Someone who obtained copies of the verification tokens you requested might go to various social media s…

Would you care to elaborate?

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by mminer237 »

dvngnt_ wrote: post #116

i don't know why people are cheering for this? the government shouldn't take the place of the parents. I think the real reason is they don't like how tiktok is creating activists out of the next generation of voters. we should demand better from big tech but banning does nothing to improve platforms. so many adults here were on forums, 4chan, mmos, ventrilo growing up, even Facebook which was useful keeping in touch…

I agree it's the parents' responsibility, but I don't know that the government can't prevent things it deems harmful just because parents are okay with it. It also often makes things easier for parents by being able to require service providers to work with parents and limit their sales to children.

I'm fine with the government enforcing curfews, smoking, and drinking laws on children even if their parents disagree.

I don't think any of the things you listed, except probably Facebook would qualify as a social medium under this law. I'm honestly very thankful more manipulative social media didn't exist when I was a teen. My life probably would have been better if I didn't have access to as many as I did even.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by soco »

lupire wrote: post #162
soco wrote: post #73

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This discussion can be seen every time when the EU decides on some regulation against tech industry. A lot of people will jump that it won't be enforced, then when we see the first fines those people will jump that it won't move a needle, then when the tech giants do change a bit their course then... well the tech bros will always find a reason to jump against doing anything to curb tech.

This is not a "tech bro" thing. It's not particular to tech nor bros. This a business thing. Phillip Morris weren't "tech bros".

You are right. I was having in mind the HN crowd when I commented.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by tamimio »

This is idiotic, they will find a way to watch and be on social media regardless. Also, I don’t see how social media is bad but MSM that brainwashed generations is any good, are they going to enforce the same rules on other forms of media? Or is it because “we can’t censor XY social media” so we are gonna ban them all?

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by medvezhenok »

Clubber wrote: post #147
light_hue_1 wrote: post #67

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Don't minimize what's going on. There's a massive rise in depression in young children. The teen suicide rate has almost doubled. The idea that you know what's going on, on their social media is pretty funny. Certainly what every adult always assumed about me. And now that I have kids, I can see how easily other kids fool their parents all the time. And what's overly malicious? It may be social media itself without a…

I think if you wanted to reduce teen suicide a significant amount, banning social media isn't going to do it. It certainly isn't responsible for half. Of course banning it doesn't cost the government any money, so it's top of the list as opposed to any real solutions. You also cherry picked your stats. If you open a larger window, the current teen suicide rate is not as abnormal as you are making it out to be. https:…

Umm, that chart is 10 years out of date - it ends in 2015; the beginning of the social media era.

The current teen suicide rate is ~62 / 100K, which is just about double (or triple!) the last value in that chart. And is also an anomaly over the last 40 years.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by rtkwe »

akerl_ wrote: post #2

This makes me think of how, as a child, every site asked “are you over 13”, and I diligently clicked “yes”. Some more clever sites asked for my birth year… forcing me to do the arduous work of taking the current year and subtracting 14. Though I suppose the real plan here is to pass the law and then have the government selectively prosecute social media companies for having users under 16.

If the year was a scroll box I was always about a flick and a half old which often ends up in the 60s so they had some odd age metrics.
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