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Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by jeffbee »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #47

As the parent of an 11 year old, I wholeheartedly agree. The science is pretty clear that social media has had a very detrimental effect on teens' mental health. We should treat it like we do other substances that are harmful for teens; once they're older they are better able to make wiser decisions as to if, when and how they want to consume social media. It may be impossible to enforce outside school, but so is the…

The evidence is not all that solid. The most demonstrable link is between use of portable devices at bedtime and poor sleep quality. Everything else has mixed evidence.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by yieldcrv »

control behavior by regulating the intermediary

this is a strategy that works under any governance system on the planet. so to actually make an enforceable law don't try to impose restrictions on the action, provider, or users of the action, instead you should think about things they rely on and restrict those.

this law doesn't do that. but it would be fun to think of things that would. can we take something away from social media users? can we incentivize non-social media users? maybe we can leverage our disdain of data brokers into a partnership where data brokers can't serve companies that have children's data

just spitballing, I don't actually care about this law or any of those proposals, just noticing the current state of the discussion lacks... inspiration.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by frumper »

thsksbd wrote: post #55
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adults should not have to enter a credit card to, say, read HN. But kids should. And therein lies the problem...

Why not? Honestly asking here. Let's assume oposition to the law is a "progressive" position: If there is a constitutional right to absolutely 100% friction free access to information then what happens to all the barriers the government has erected to access covid, Trump, Russia and other "disinformation" progressive pushed for? (You can invert this example for a right wing if you want)

Growing up I remember the trope about showing papers to do anything in the USSR. It was in direct contrast to the display of freedom in America.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by thomastjeffery »

goda90 wrote: post #35
Goronmon wrote: post #25

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I'm still on the fence about government doing a parent's job here, especially for kids under 13, but I can't stand that no one pushing these bills has come up with an actually reasonable age verification method. How do you anonymously verify someone's age?

Anonymous credentials. A central authority with verified age information of each person grants credentials that verify the age to third parties, but the authentication tokens used with the third party can't be used by the third party nor the central authority to identify anything else about the credential holder.

Then there is a data breach, and every person in the country is de-anonymized.

No thank you.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by giarc »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #61
brightball wrote: post #58

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I’m normally anti-regulation as well, but as a parent I’m fully on board with this. The amount of peer pressure to be on social media is insane.

Are you asserting that parents should not have the rights to determine this for their own children?

Are you a parent? It's not as easy as saying "no social media" to your kids. In this day and age, it's basically equivalent to saying "you can't have friends". Online is where kids meet, hang out, converse etc. I'd LOVE to go back to the days before phones and social media, where kids played with neighbours and ride their bikes to their friends house, but that's slowly slipping away.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by rft »

rschneid wrote: post #93
matthewdgreen wrote: post #88

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Several governments have already effectively banned sites like Pornhub by creating regimes where people have to mail their ID to a central clearinghouse (which creates a huge chilling effect.) The article talks about “reasonable age verification measures” and so saying it’s unenforceable seems a little bit premature. Also, you can bet those measures won’t be in any way reasonable once the Florida legislature gets thr…

>effectively banned In my opinion, these governments haven't implemented 'effective' bans (though maybe chilling, as you say) but primarily created awkward new grey markets for the personal data that these policies rely on for theatrics. Remember when China 'banned' youth IDs from playing online games past 10PM? I think a bunch of grandparents became gamers around the same time... https://www.nature.com/articles/s415…

Another example is some Korean games requiring essentially a Korean ID to play. A few years ago there was a game my guild was hyped about and we played the Korean version a bit. You more or less bought the identity of some Korean guy via a service that was explicitly setup for this. Worked surprisingly well and was pretty streamlined.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by shermantanktop »

m2fkxy wrote: post #11
tnbp wrote: post #5

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Some more clever sites asked for my birth year… forcing me to do the arduous work of taking the current year and subtracting 14. But why? You could have just picked a year that worked, and sticked with it. Obviously, there's no way of telling which year works, but you could have bruteforced that just once.

probably the thrill of living on the edge.

Arithmetic under stress is a helluva drug.

Re: Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban social media for kids < 16

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Post by safog »

goda90 wrote: post #9

I'm still on the fence about government doing a parent's job here, especially for kids under 13, but I can't stand that no one pushing these bills has come up with an actually reasonable age verification method.

We're barreling towards an internet that requires an id before you can use it.

It's a bit upsetting but I don't harbor the early 2000s naiveté about the free internet where regulation doesn't exist, the data exchange happens over open formats and connecting people from across the world is viewed as an absolute positive.

Govt meddling on social media platforms, the filter bubble, platforms locking data in, teenage depression stats post Instagram, doom scrolling on tiktok have flipped me the other way.

Internet Anonymity is going to die - let's see if that makes this place any better.

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