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New tires every 7k miles? Electric cars save gas; tire wear shocks some drivers

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Re: New tires every 7k miles? Electric cars save gas; tire wear shocks some drivers

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I've been seeing a lot of anti-electric stories recently, even here. A lot about how Hertz has been selling their electric cars (mostly unrelated to them being electric, but because they see a lot of scrapes and scrapes are costlier for them to fix on the electrics they have), about how the market is cooling down, etc. Seems like some interests are threatened by the prevalence of electric cars.

You can't engine-brake with an electric engine (with a combustion car, downshifting will force your car to be slower when going downhill, basically) so in mountain regions with ups and downs there's way more braking leading to massively increased tyre wear.

First, you can: many electrics have a regenerative braking mode that you can engage that will provide some amount of "engine braking"-equivalent slowing down. And on some of them you can select how much slowing is applied. It's very similar to manually selecting a gear.

Second, huh? How does engine braking reduce tire wear at the same speeds? Brakes do not contact the tire. It reduces brake wear...

Gentle braking reduces tire wear but that's possible with either mode.

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I've been seeing a lot of anti-electric stories recently, even here. A lot about how Hertz has been selling their electric cars (mostly unrelated to them being electric, but because they see a lot of scrapes and scrapes are costlier for them to fix on the electrics they have), about how the market is cooling down, etc. Seems like some interests are threatened by the prevalence of electric cars.

You can't engine-brake with an electric engine (with a combustion car, downshifting will force your car to be slower when going downhill, basically) so in mountain regions with ups and downs there's way more braking leading to massively increased tyre wear.

What? Tires are the way cars touch the road. If you're slowing down from engine breaking or from friction breaking, the force between the tires and the road will be the same. It's not like engine breaking has some alternative connection to the road.

And that says nothing about the fact that EVs use regenerative breaking, where the motors turn that kinetic energy into electricity to charge the battery, slowing things down with the friction breaks.

Re: New tires every 7k miles? Electric cars save gas; tire wear shocks some drivers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been seeing a lot of anti-electric stories recently, even here. A lot about how Hertz has been selling their electric cars (mostly unrelated to them being electric, but because they see a lot of scrapes and scrapes are costlier for them to fix on the electrics they have), about how the market is cooling down, etc. Seems like some interests are threatened by the prevalence of electric cars.

You can't engine-brake with an electric engine (with a combustion car, downshifting will force your car to be slower when going downhill, basically) so in mountain regions with ups and downs there's way more braking leading to massively increased tyre wear.

Can you please explain the mechanics of this? Engine braking, ignoring a semi jake brake style, is using the weight of the engine to slow the vehicle down. The mechanics of an EV using regen in my head seems pretty similar. You are generating electricity which is creating resistance, similar to how turning the engine without using petrol is creating resistance.

Re: New tires every 7k miles? Electric cars save gas; tire wear shocks some drivers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been seeing a lot of anti-electric stories recently, even here. A lot about how Hertz has been selling their electric cars (mostly unrelated to them being electric, but because they see a lot of scrapes and scrapes are costlier for them to fix on the electrics they have), about how the market is cooling down, etc. Seems like some interests are threatened by the prevalence of electric cars.

You can't engine-brake with an electric engine (with a combustion car, downshifting will force your car to be slower when going downhill, basically) so in mountain regions with ups and downs there's way more braking leading to massively increased tyre wear.

Isn’t regenerative braking similar?

Re: New tires every 7k miles? Electric cars save gas; tire wear shocks some drivers

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I would not be surprised if tires wear faster on a vehicle that weighs ~40% more. Another thing to consider is road damage, which is famously proportional to the weight to the power of four. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_power_law

A Tesla Model 3 is 0-15% heavier than a BMW 3 Series. A Ford Lightning is 10-20% heavier than a gasoline SuperCrew. EV's are not 40% heavier.

Glad to see at least one other person agreeing, I got the doom and gloomer downvotes.

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You can't engine-brake with an electric engine (with a combustion car, downshifting will force your car to be slower when going downhill, basically) so in mountain regions with ups and downs there's way more braking leading to massively increased tyre wear.

Can you please explain the mechanics of this? Engine braking, ignoring a semi jake brake style, is using the weight of the engine to slow the vehicle down. The mechanics of an EV using regen in my head seems pretty similar. You are generating electricity which is creating resistance, similar to how turning the engine without using petrol is creating resistance.

There's no difference in mechanics, the resistance on the wheel's axle is similar, therefore tire wear is similar. The GP doesn't seem very informed.

Re: New tires every 7k miles? Electric cars save gas; tire wear shocks some drivers

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I can confirm faster wear but not every 7k miles. I've worked for a tire OEM before and we've been tracking tire usage on Teslas for a while. It's due to the combination of higher loads and torque

What do they put on Teslas where you are? In Europe they put SportContacts, those are performance tires and obviously wear down faster than your standard PremiumContact or equivalent.

I think they were Michelin all seasons. Specifically to Teslas they also have a ton of camber on their Model X for handling and that makes the problem worse.

Things might have improved now because tire manufacturers now have dedicated EV tires, but there will be trade offs because they need crazy low rolling resistance and not be too noisy.

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Every 30,000km seems really often to become completely worn

If they’re reasonably soft semi-performance tyres the figure doesn’t seem surprising

Yes absolutely, i buy performance tyres all the time. Maybe simple ones will last a lot longer but i want my ass to be safer driving in the mountains by nighttime.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been seeing a lot of anti-electric stories recently, even here. A lot about how Hertz has been selling their electric cars (mostly unrelated to them being electric, but because they see a lot of scrapes and scrapes are costlier for them to fix on the electrics they have), about how the market is cooling down, etc. Seems like some interests are threatened by the prevalence of electric cars.

You can't engine-brake with an electric engine (with a combustion car, downshifting will force your car to be slower when going downhill, basically) so in mountain regions with ups and downs there's way more braking leading to massively increased tyre wear.

Engine braking uses the tyres to slow down. Every motion a car does uses the tyres, no matter how it's done mechanically.

And as other comments mentioned, there's regenerative braking on EVs which, in tyres' mechanical terms, behave very similarly to engine braking.

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