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Re: On a Tesla: Don't

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WTH is a “jammern” and why would this articles english writer use that foreign word in a sentence? I can’t be the only person who didn’t know what it meant and I was totally distracted from the article by their apparent presumption that the word was in common use.

The article was published in “jammern” (see byline), so it seems fair game to use.

My brain reasoned it meant approx “cry/complain” as the article was registering a grievance:

> This jammern is thus about the car

Re: On a Tesla: Don't

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> - it is dangerously hard to use any control that doesn't have a dedicated button. The touchscreen in a moving car is a moving mess of tiny targets crowded too close together No it isn't. > - even if you have a dedicated control for say wipers, you will still curse interval wipers. Sensor-based wipers fail to predict rain regularly. I discussed this topic recently with a friend, her Mercedes has the same problem and…

I’ve literally never seen a car without a spare tire. It’s usually hidden underneath the trunk these days. I assumed it was law? EDIT: never mind, I see Teslas come with a repair kit instead. (I suppose by modern car you might mean electric.) TIL

My 2012 car has no spare tire, you are instead mandated to use run-flat tires (on those, you can still drive 80 km at a lower speed). This is pretty common.

Re: On a Tesla: Don't

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On the "yelling at me" part - I find this an absolutely puzzling design pattern that a number of automakers have adopted. I was driving a Volkswagen ID4 - their mid-size electric car - the other day, and my dog was on the back seat. She triggered the seat belt alarm, but not straight away, only once we were on the German Autobahn. It showed the icon on the dashboard, then it started beeping. Then it started beeping l…

If there is a passenger without a seat belt I think most places you are supposed to pull over ASAP to solve the situation.

Re: On a Tesla: Don't

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - it is dangerously hard to use any control that doesn't have a dedicated button. The touchscreen in a moving car is a moving mess of tiny targets crowded too close together No it isn't. > - even if you have a dedicated control for say wipers, you will still curse interval wipers. Sensor-based wipers fail to predict rain regularly. I discussed this topic recently with a friend, her Mercedes has the same problem and…

>No it isn't. Touchscreens demand I look away from my surroundings, because I will never know where anything is nor if I did whatever I wanted to do correctly. That is fundamentally terrible as regards safe driving.

Can you give an example of something that really needs to be adjusted on the touchscreen while driving that cannot be adjusted using the buttons on the steering wheel on the Model 3? I never ever need to do this.

Additionally the lane keeping and adaptive cruise control on the highway are rock solid, so even if you would look briefly - for example at the navigation system, just like in any other car - not much can happen.

Regarding looking away - in Europe we are taught in driving school to look over our left shoulder when changing lanes. So we take the eyes of the road ahead FAR longer than a brief peak at a touchscreen. Yet this is deemed to be acceptable and safer even in a car that does not keep the lane and does not automatically break if there is an obstacle in front.

Re: On a Tesla: Don't

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WTH is a “jammern” and why would this articles english writer use that foreign word in a sentence? I can’t be the only person who didn’t know what it meant and I was totally distracted from the article by their apparent presumption that the word was in common use.

It's German for "whine/whinge", and Lessig refers to his blog's posts as "jammerns".

Re: On a Tesla: Don't

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A few legitimate but common complaints marred by a bunch of issues that aren’t common (my phone key works fine, Bluetooth is fine, etc) and completely unsubstantiated prediction that the runaway top seller of EVs, indeed the best selling cars several years running, will somehow “fail to compete” in the EV space

They are already losing the lead on the EV market to BYD: https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/tesla-delivered-1-81-mill... I personally think this prediction is grounded. It has been over-promising and under-delivering for a while, and Musk has gone from a money printing machine to someone perceived as toxic/erratic. They will face difficulties in a scenario where competitors can make better, cheaper cars, and their s…

I'm really having trouble understanding how a company with the best selling car on the entire planet (more Model Ys sold than Toyota Corollas or RAV4s in 2023) can be accused of "under-delivering".

Re: On a Tesla: Don't

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> That’s what the brain does: we learn not to see the ugly that we can’t change.

Huh. This must be what it's like to be a glass-half-full person. Speaking for myself, I tend to focus in on it rather obsessively.

> Elizabeth Holmes, at least, didn’t kill anyone.

Statistically, she almost certainly did.

> I’ve never actually thought that I needed a fart machine in my car, but pre-teens think it essential.

IMO this encourages bad behaviour, and should be banned. Its only apparent application seems to be startling pedestrians, potentially dangerously (obviously a horn would do this too, but the bad behaviour is more likely if it is made funnier to the sort of gormless idiots who indulge in this).

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post #40
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - it is dangerously hard to use any control that doesn't have a dedicated button. The touchscreen in a moving car is a moving mess of tiny targets crowded too close together No it isn't. > - even if you have a dedicated control for say wipers, you will still curse interval wipers. Sensor-based wipers fail to predict rain regularly. I discussed this topic recently with a friend, her Mercedes has the same problem and…

>No it isn't. Touchscreens demand I look away from my surroundings, because I will never know where anything is nor if I did whatever I wanted to do correctly. That is fundamentally terrible as regards safe driving.

So do buttons and sticks. Esp if it's not buttons you use all the time.

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On the "yelling at me" part - I find this an absolutely puzzling design pattern that a number of automakers have adopted. I was driving a Volkswagen ID4 - their mid-size electric car - the other day, and my dog was on the back seat. She triggered the seat belt alarm, but not straight away, only once we were on the German Autobahn. It showed the icon on the dashboard, then it started beeping. Then it started beeping l…

”In 2003, the Transportation Research Board Committee, chaired by two psychologists, reported that "Enhanced SBRs" (ESBRs) could save an additional 1,000 lives a year.[100] Research by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety found that Ford's ESBR, which provides an intermittent chime for up to five minutes if the driver is unbelted, sounding for 6 seconds then pausing for 30, increased seat belt use by 5 percentage points.[100] Farmer and Wells found that driver fatality rates were 6% lower for vehicles with ESBR compared with otherwise-identical vehicles without.[101]” [1]

Not asking nicely for seat belt makes people actually use the seat belt. It’s saving bunch of people every year vs annoying me. And it sure does annoy me, but truth be told sometimes when I move the car just a bit the only reason I use seat belt is that the car is angry at me.

[1]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt

Re: On a Tesla: Don't

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something like this happened in my Skoda a while ago. Driving along on the Autobahn when a really minor irregularity in the road caused the bag I had placed on the passenger seat to be pushed into the seat very gently, triggering the passenger-side seat belt alarm. I had to take the next exit and park somewhere to get it to shut up. Unrelated but also relevant to the story: My father's new car (a brand-new Nissan) st…

> starts yelling at you to put the seat belt on the second you start the car Unrelated too but in France you must put your seatbelts before starting the car. It’s the law.

There are exceptions, also in France. I think the most relevant one here is for medical reasons or body shape. So if you have a passenger who is exempt from the rule you have to live with your car yelling at you.
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