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Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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...and using the Dropbox SDK is apparently violating that

THIS version does. And a NEW version doesn't. There is no specific probelem with Dropbox.

The new version is hobbled and won't even let you make an account. It is nothing more than a workaround for apple's stupidity.

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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[I have a zillion snarky type replies that itch to be free, but we'll keep that monster in the box today.] "Way to far" is an interesting characterization. Apple has rules about their playground, they like their rules, they make Apple very profitable. So the question becomes can Google leverage this liability to increase the penetration or market share of Android tablets? Once these tactics hurt Apple in the market t…

I think parent was speaking as a consumer, not moralizing about it. In the eyes of the law or economics, of course this is completely reasonable, it is absolutely Apple's right to do this. But the consumer experience is horrible, something parent is probably not used to from Apple.

Well, but as a consumer, you have options, and your number one way to make your voice heard is to switch to a better option. (The number two way is to threaten loudly, I think.)

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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While here, let's remember who'll control the dev certificate validity for Gatekeeper on OS X 10.8. Will we end up with cases where people break arbitrary yet-to-be-defined terms and boom, their standalone app no longer works on a default OS X install?

Unlikely. We already have one example where Apple is enforcing the “no malware” rule and that’s the App Store.

On the App Store, Apple reserves itself the right to not only remove apps from the store (which Apple has done often and we know a lot about) but also to actually remotely pull apps from users’ devices.

Apple claims they will only actually remotely pull apps if said apps are malware. That’s the exact same rule they seem to want to apply in the future to third party apps on the Mac outside the App Store.

I do not think Apple ever pulled an app from iOS devices. They certainly never used that right for apps that were rejected or removed from the App Store (e.g. tethering apps). They seem to really only want to pull true malware and don’t seem to apply some contorted definition of malware here. (E.g. I’m sure carriers would claim that tethering apps cause them much damage, hence they are malware, Apple doesn’t follow that definition of malware, though.)

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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1) Research antitrust. It doesn't mean what you think it means. 2) Apple has done nothing different than has been done before. It is an existing in app purchasing rule.

How many number of links is the limit? If the mobile site had a link to Google, and Google had an ad for Google Apps, because it's within the webview, does that still mean it's in app purchasing?

Read the linked thread. Apple's issue is quite specific and the fix appears obvious and has been implemented. Don't land on a page selling something bypassing IAP.

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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But in this case, the town is not 90% of the geography. Last i heard Google's town is bigger and there is also RIM Town (mass exodus happening there), a new WP7 town (lots of airport signs) and a few others around.

Interesting, because the comments on other HN posts read like "There is no tablet market, there is only an iPad market", "Apple makes 80% of the money in the cell phone market, Apple is the only one making any money", "If you want to make money selling apps, the App Store is the best since it has the paying customers, Android is full of cheapskate freeloaders who want your app for free and install adblock". With the…

There is no contradiction, Apple 'owns' the high end market where people actually pay for apps. But, as a percentage of overall phone / tablet OS there well under 40% so it's hard to call them a monopoly.

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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To get a sense of Apple's power: Via Amazon, download any sample chapter to Kindle on iPad/iPhone. Scroll to the end and click "Buy Now" this is what you'll see: http://i.imgur.com/Flqfp.png This power is good when it comes to muscling user-friendly dataplans from carriers, but with other stuff they are really playing hardball

This is Amazon's way of handling the issue. Another option would be to cut a deal with Apple. Anyone having a free sample on their Kindle app presumably got it from Amazon's website and knows how to buy the full version.

Compare this with trying to read a Nook, iBookstore, or DRM free ePub on a Kindle Fire. I'm sure it can be done, but it's well hidden.

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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This has gone way too far. The other day I downloaded the Google Play Books app. I started it up, signed in.. and nothing. No prompt to go buy books online, no hint at what the app does... just a blank screen. It's completely scummy. You can buy Apple's iCloud storage upgrade from within the OS, and now you can't even LINK to a place where you could link to a place where if you click the right link you could buy Drop…

[I have a zillion snarky type replies that itch to be free, but we'll keep that monster in the box today.] "Way to far" is an interesting characterization. Apple has rules about their playground, they like their rules, they make Apple very profitable. So the question becomes can Google leverage this liability to increase the penetration or market share of Android tablets? Once these tactics hurt Apple in the market t…

I'm not sure these rules are what makes their playground profitable - only painful. If it goes on too long and too far I foresee it hurting them.

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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While here, let's remember who'll control the dev certificate validity for Gatekeeper on OS X 10.8. Will we end up with cases where people break arbitrary yet-to-be-defined terms and boom, their standalone app no longer works on a default OS X install?

Yeah, the Lion default, if I remember correctly, is signed apps only. Apple is really pushing to become an entity devs and publishers must pay tax to.

That is the Mountain Lion default, not Lion.

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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post #99

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You mean the same line that has been in place for nearly 2 years ? Pretty sure most people don't care.

Sure. Not right now, they don't. My point is that if Apple keeps pushing the walls higher on its garden at some point people will start complaining. iOS could very well become the Windows of mobile. I can imagine a future where a lot of people will complain "I don't want to use iOS, but it has all the apps!". I personally have owned an iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPhone 4, and iPad and I will probably buy the upcoming iPhone.…

You seem to be confused.

This Dropbox is the same rule that has been in places for years. In fact the walled garden is less evident than in the past.

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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I don't think people characterizing this as "too far" are ignorant of that fact that Apple is within its rights to enforce whatever they want to. I think the thread is more about "is Apple being a dick here?"... Unfortunately, Google is probably not capable of exploiting these mini-resentments and I don't think anybody else is either.

For what it's worth, Windows 8 App Store will not restrict in-app purchasing like the iOS App Store does.

And the Mac App Store doesn't restrict anything either. What is your point ?
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