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How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by jjackson5324 »

Kamq wrote: post #61
jjackson5324 wrote: post #20

Funny enough, if you look at polling data of Americans... amongst people who actually lived during the JFK assassination & later investigation and kept up with all the details.... only about 11% believed the official narrative. More than 80% thought the official narrative was a lie. Nowadays (when most Americans have just read about it in history textbooks), it feels like most people believe the official narrative an…

That seems to contradict the available data. Using gallup: https://news.gallup.com/poll/514310/decades-later-americans-... It seems that a majority doubt the official narrative these days (that LHO acted alone), but it was much lower in the past. There are, of course, limits to polling. People will tend to lie about things with social consequences, but you specifically call out polling data in your post.

> a majority doubt the official narrative these days (that LHO acted alone), but it was much lower in the past

Ah okay, didn't realize a majority of people still doubt the official narrative. Thanks for the link.

But yeah, it was previously at 11% believed official narrative and has now risen to 30% it seems.

Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by pgreenwood »

jjackson5324 wrote: post #25
rootusrootus wrote: post #21

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> Nowadays This makes sense to me, because after all this time if we don't have anything which backs up the conspiracy theories it is sensible to believe that the results of the official investigation are largely accurate.

The House Select Committee on Assassinations was established to investigate the assassinations of JFK and MLK. After their investigation, they concluded that the official narrative was most likely wrong and they found a high probability that two gunmen fired at President John F. Kennedy. There were no investigations after that.. > Scientific acoustical evidence establishes a high probability that two gunmen fired at…

The HSCA conclusions were largely based on the now discredited acoustic analysis of the police channel dicabelt recording. If it weren't for that the findings would have largely supported that of the Warren Commission.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination_...

A good summary of the evidence that Oswald acted alone can be found here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8tO16xdrY

Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by pfdietz »

jimbob45 wrote: post #16
pessimizer wrote: post #13

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> I suspect You can just read. The most surprising thing about WWII, at least to many Nazis, is that the US and Britain didn't join the Axis. German theories about race were largely drawn from British and American sources. The US fought WWII with a racially segregated military.

Ooooh time to drop my favorite WW2 quote When Pearl Harbor happened, we [Roosevelt's advisors] were desperate. ... We were all in agony. The mood of the American people was obvious – they were determined that the Japanese had to be punished. We could have been forced to concentrate all our efforts on the Pacific, unable from then on to give more than purely peripheral help to Britain. It was truly astounding when Hit…

That was John Kenneth Galbraith, quoted here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_declaration_of_war_agai...

Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by throwaway8877 »

mistrial9 wrote: post #43
throwaway8877 wrote: post #40

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And what comes to McCarthy then he had every right to be extremely paranoid about the activities of Soviet Union in attempts to secretly influence American politics from the within. The work of American counter intelligence agencies is a clear proof of it. Recommended read https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1996/04/14/w...

no because a healthy politics does include alternative views. It is the unhealthy security mindset that becomes inflexible @! and does anyone now support the activity of Senator Joe McCarthy, honestly?

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Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by throwaway8877 »

ericfr11 wrote: post #67
krapp wrote: post #54

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>How are Blacks, communists and poets “counter cultures”? You don't understand American culture at all if you can even ask this question sincerely.

American culture is, indeed, a mix of culture. It exists only thanks to external influences. Black culture is at the heart of American culture (jazz, soul, and more music), great athletes in the best team...

And it's good. The point was that part of it was clearly a counter culture in opposition of white dominated main culture. This is completely something that a state level adversary may attempt to infiltrate given an opportunity.

And they tried and keep trying. A little recent refresher

https://www.npr.org/2017/10/30/560042987/russians-targeted-u...

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Post by jbm »

aebtebeten wrote: post #2

> ... there must be some kind of conspiracy between communists, blacks, poets and French philosophers. If you can connect these dots, then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati_(game) might be for you! (but see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jackson_Games,_Inc._v._U... )

I loved that game, but in my friendless highschool youth I never found anyone interested in playing the version I had (the "New World Order" card game).

I do remember the Talented and Gifted English teacher at my school randomly saw me with cards for the "John Birch Society" and "FNORD" and guffawed.

Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by jacquesm »

ericfr11 wrote: post #68
mhitza wrote: post #27

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Because it was the counter culture, eg Black Panthers, youth communist parties

Not entirely true. Without some "counter" culture, we would not have culture today.

Of course we would. Just not this culture, but a variation on it.

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Post by jacquesm »

woodruffw wrote: post #24
jjackson5324 wrote: post #20

Funny enough, if you look at polling data of Americans... amongst people who actually lived during the JFK assassination & later investigation and kept up with all the details.... only about 11% believed the official narrative. More than 80% thought the official narrative was a lie. Nowadays (when most Americans have just read about it in history textbooks), it feels like most people believe the official narrative an…

> Nowadays (when most Americans have just read about it in history textbooks), it feels like most people believe the official narrative and dismiss conspiracy theories as "crazy". A significant confounding factor here is the encompassing and totalizing nature of modern conspiracy theories: there's a substantial difference in breadth, depth, and assumed priors between a JFK assassination conspiracy (painted against th…

> isn't (yet) prone to Big Lies.

I think it's very prone to it. In fact I think *most Western democracy's cultures are prone to such beliefs In some countries it now affects half of the population in others 'merely' 30%. But there isn't a country where this isn't a problem.

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway8877 wrote: post #74
mistrial9 wrote: post #43

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no because a healthy politics does include alternative views. It is the unhealthy security mindset that becomes inflexible @! and does anyone now support the activity of Senator Joe McCarthy, honestly?

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Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by Kamq »

jjackson5324 wrote: post #71
Kamq wrote: post #61

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That seems to contradict the available data. Using gallup: https://news.gallup.com/poll/514310/decades-later-americans-... It seems that a majority doubt the official narrative these days (that LHO acted alone), but it was much lower in the past. There are, of course, limits to polling. People will tend to lie about things with social consequences, but you specifically call out polling data in your post.

> a majority doubt the official narrative these days (that LHO acted alone), but it was much lower in the past Ah okay, didn't realize a majority of people still doubt the official narrative. Thanks for the link. But yeah, it was previously at 11% believed official narrative and has now risen to 30% it seems.

I just double checked and I read my link completely wrong. That's my bad. It seems you're correct.

That'll teach me to post while doing other stuff

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