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Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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Post by Anechoic »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #74
tptacek wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a weird example to use, since US cable franchises are in fact usually monopolies.

Err, in the age of directv, dish network, dsl, vdsl, fiber, u-verse, 4g, etc I don't think ye olde cable monopoly is an excuse anymore.

dsl, vdsl, fiber, u-verse, 4g are extremely location dependent (I live in a top 100 MSA and don't have access to video over any of those modes at home), and even directv/dish have certain requirements (namely clear LOS to the satellite). For me it's Comcast or nothing, and I suspect that's the case (substituting "your local cableco" for "Comcast") for a majority of the USA.

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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Post by tptacek »

nknight wrote: post #87
jacobolus wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re missing the point of tptacek’s criticism. He’s not trying to mock nerds, but rather to point out that their mental model of how the law works is woefully mismatched to how the law actually works, with a great deal of resulting whining and handwringing that could be avoided if they bothered to learn and think a bit about it. That I’ve seen, there’s been very little anger or ranting coming from his direction, an…

Like hell he isn't. Go back through his comment history. He's arrogant, dismissive, presumptuous, and yes, outright mocking. This is, intermittently, his MO on other subjects as well, notably infosec, but it's been particularly bad of late in legal subjects. I've often corrected many of the kind of misapprehensions he seems to see himself as on a crusade against, and it has never been necessary for me to adopt his ab…

See this, right here, is an actual ad hominem argument. :)

You don't think that maybe this sub-thread is a waste of time? Your opinion of me --- which you can probably guess I don't organize my thoughts around --- does not change the fact that product tying isn't "per se" unlawful.

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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Post by nknight »

tptacek wrote: post #92
nknight wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like hell he isn't. Go back through his comment history. He's arrogant, dismissive, presumptuous, and yes, outright mocking. This is, intermittently, his MO on other subjects as well, notably infosec, but it's been particularly bad of late in legal subjects. I've often corrected many of the kind of misapprehensions he seems to see himself as on a crusade against, and it has never been necessary for me to adopt his ab…

See this, right here, is an actual ad hominem argument. :) You don't think that maybe this sub-thread is a waste of time? Your opinion of me --- which you can probably guess I don't organize my thoughts around --- does not change the fact that product tying isn't "per se" unlawful.

No, Thomas, it isn't, because I'm not arguing you are wrong because it's you making the statements. On the contrary, as I said, you are largely correct. I'm arguing you're being an ass. Separate issue.

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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Post by recoiledsnake »

fufulabs wrote: post #75
josephcooney wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft got hauled through the courts and turned into the EU's personal cash-register for doing similar things in 'their town'.

But in this case, the town is not 90% of the geography. Last i heard Google's town is bigger and there is also RIM Town (mass exodus happening there), a new WP7 town (lots of airport signs) and a few others around.

Interesting, because the comments on other HN posts read like "There is no tablet market, there is only an iPad market", "Apple makes 80% of the money in the cell phone market, Apple is the only one making any money", "If you want to make money selling apps, the App Store is the best since it has the paying customers, Android is full of cheapskate freeloaders who want your app for free and install adblock". With the obligatory links to Asymco and Gruber to "prove" it.

Now it's kind of funny to see some of the same people make the argument in comments here that Apple has no significant marketshare or dominance of anything.

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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Post by 5teev »

stbullard wrote: post #39

Looking at the link, it seems that only those apps using the latest version of Dropbox's SDK (1.2) are being rejected, for violating Apple's long-standing platform policies. Dropbox has since released a version of their SDK without the offending links. Is that a fair assessment?

Yeah, I hear a lot of complaining about Apple here, but not much about how Dropbox's SDK update broke apps that would otherwise be approved, and now Dropbox has a new version that fixes the problem.

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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Post by tptacek »

nknight wrote: post #93
tptacek wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See this, right here, is an actual ad hominem argument. :) You don't think that maybe this sub-thread is a waste of time? Your opinion of me --- which you can probably guess I don't organize my thoughts around --- does not change the fact that product tying isn't "per se" unlawful.

No, Thomas, it isn't, because I'm not arguing you are wrong because it's you making the statements. On the contrary, as I said, you are largely correct. I'm arguing you're being an ass. Separate issue.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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Post by oblique63 »

taligent wrote: post #59
snarkinatree wrote: post #57

What's remarkable is that Apple is suppopsedly desintined to be the most profitable company in US history and they still feel the need to do this kind of thing. It says a lot about the character of the company. Pretty sad spectacle, no matter how much money they make.:wq

It also says a lot about you that you posted this whilst having a fundamental lack of knowledge about the situation. Did you even read what you linked to ?

I understand that you've been trying to make the point that this is a non-story (and I would agree with you, to an extent), but that was just rude and uncalled for.

Is it wrong for the GP to try and start a conversation about the morality of a company as large as apple, demanding such a large degree of separation between users and the ability to make purchases outside apple's control?

I'm about as 'anti-apple' as they come, and even I can see it was just a case of Dropbox's sdk doing something against apple's rules, but that doesn't mean what that what apple's doing is 'right', or even necessary for a corporation as large as them, which is what I believe the GP was hinting at.

In my opinion it's just business as usual. Just look at wall street, and all the large oil corporations and such; a company as large as apple doing something dubious is not exactly shocking. If anything, that's what got these large corporations to where they are in the first place. Is it sad? sure, but it's nothing that we haven't seen before...

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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Post by [deleted] »

jvm wrote: post #49
ChuckMcM wrote: post #28

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[I have a zillion snarky type replies that itch to be free, but we'll keep that monster in the box today.] "Way to far" is an interesting characterization. Apple has rules about their playground, they like their rules, they make Apple very profitable. So the question becomes can Google leverage this liability to increase the penetration or market share of Android tablets? Once these tactics hurt Apple in the market t…

I think parent was speaking as a consumer, not moralizing about it. In the eyes of the law or economics, of course this is completely reasonable, it is absolutely Apple's right to do this. But the consumer experience is horrible, something parent is probably not used to from Apple.

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Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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Post by tnash »

taligent wrote: post #58
tnash wrote: post #21

This is really going over the line. People are content in the walled garden, but if it starts getting too stuffy in there people will want to leave. Unfortunately it makes "business sense" (read: nonsense) for Apple to raise the walls of their walled garden as high as they can make them. Hopefully at some point there will be enough discontent to remove things like this.

You mean the same line that has been in place for nearly 2 years ? Pretty sure most people don't care.

Sure. Not right now, they don't. My point is that if Apple keeps pushing the walls higher on its garden at some point people will start complaining. iOS could very well become the Windows of mobile. I can imagine a future where a lot of people will complain "I don't want to use iOS, but it has all the apps!". I personally have owned an iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPhone 4, and iPad and I will probably buy the upcoming iPhone. Apple's walled garden restrictions get on my nerves, but they've been a subtle annoyance. I can live with them, but at some point they'll stop being a nuisance and become a problem.

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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Post by valgaze »

To get a sense of Apple's power:

Via Amazon, download any sample chapter to Kindle on iPad/iPhone. Scroll to the end and click "Buy Now" this is what you'll see: http://i.imgur.com/Flqfp.png

This power is good when it comes to muscling user-friendly dataplans from carriers, but with other stuff they are really playing hardball

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