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Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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You are implying that your opponent's knowledge of antitrust law is limited to a "nerdly" definition he has read on Wikipedia. Perhaps it was not your intention, but that's how it came off to me.

My argument isn't that such a definition of Sherman Act violations is "nerdly". It's that it's wrong. "Nerdly" is just color commentary. And, for what it's worth: it's from one nerd to another. Happy to clear that up for you.

In light of your recent rantings about "nerds"[1] and the law, it's hard to see your post as anything other than a continuation of your angry attacks on anyone who dares speak on the subject of the laws governing our hypothetically-democratic society. Your authoritarianism has degenerated into simple mockery. Even when you are right (which I think you largely are on this matter), you no longer contribute anything of use because any meaningful content is wrapped in an opaque blanket of anger and hostility.

[1] I do not consider myself a "nerd", by the way, nor do many other people that you probably seek to apply that label to. Some of us find it quite insulting. Call yourself whatever you want, but speak only for yourself.

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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Do any of the readers on this thread work at Apple? I'd love to have you chime in. The silence is deafening...

I'm fairly sure that a comment on this thread by an Apple employee would result in a pretty quick firing. It's a pretty tight ship over there.

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are implying that your opponent's knowledge of antitrust law is limited to a "nerdly" definition he has read on Wikipedia. Perhaps it was not your intention, but that's how it came off to me.

My argument isn't that such a definition of Sherman Act violations is "nerdly". It's that it's wrong. "Nerdly" is just color commentary. And, for what it's worth: it's from one nerd to another. Happy to clear that up for you.

For what it is worth... I was not offended. I've a thick skin and enjoy a good debate. Psssssstt... half the time I don't even know much about what I'm talking about... but I usually learn something every time. :)

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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So if Apple and Samsung independently do this, there can be norecourse since both of them aren't monopolies even if they have around 90% marketshare together. Even though the harmful effects on the market is the same. I guess that explains why the US wireless and cable franchies suck and have the lowest consumer ratings.

That's a weird example to use, since US cable franchises are in fact usually monopolies.

Err, in the age of directv, dish network, dsl, vdsl, fiber, u-verse, 4g, etc I don't think ye olde cable monopoly is an excuse anymore.

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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[I have a zillion snarky type replies that itch to be free, but we'll keep that monster in the box today.] "Way to far" is an interesting characterization. Apple has rules about their playground, they like their rules, they make Apple very profitable. So the question becomes can Google leverage this liability to increase the penetration or market share of Android tablets? Once these tactics hurt Apple in the market t…

Microsoft got hauled through the courts and turned into the EU's personal cash-register for doing similar things in 'their town'.

But in this case, the town is not 90% of the geography. Last i heard Google's town is bigger and there is also RIM Town (mass exodus happening there), a new WP7 town (lots of airport signs) and a few others around.

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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[I have a zillion snarky type replies that itch to be free, but we'll keep that monster in the box today.] "Way to far" is an interesting characterization. Apple has rules about their playground, they like their rules, they make Apple very profitable. So the question becomes can Google leverage this liability to increase the penetration or market share of Android tablets? Once these tactics hurt Apple in the market t…

I don't think people characterizing this as "too far" are ignorant of that fact that Apple is within its rights to enforce whatever they want to. I think the thread is more about "is Apple being a dick here?"... Unfortunately, Google is probably not capable of exploiting these mini-resentments and I don't think anybody else is either.

For what it's worth, Windows 8 App Store will not restrict in-app purchasing like the iOS App Store does.

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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After reading through the thread it seems they are rejecting apps because a piece of the Dropbox SDK breaks the App Store guidelines. They are not simply rejecting Dropbox integrated apps. It's well known that you cannot link the user to make a purchase outside of the iOS ecosystem. It was a huge issue with the eBook apps last years. I'm not saying I agree with Apple's stance on that but they are not rejecting apps w…

That wasn't really linking the user to make a purchase, it was somebody following a silly path of links from the initial target to arrive at a place where they could buy something. Maybe it was an honest (if overzealous) call by an app reviewer. Or maybe it was one of Apple's regular and brutal attempts at keeping direct competitors from benefiting from their platform. We don't know yet which, though I guess we'll know soon enough.

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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I can not be the only one thinking there is an antitrust issue here? I would guess the book thing means Apple is under quite a bit of scrutiny. While I'm not involved in mobile, I've had similar experiences for over half a decade dealing with the banal, highly questionable, and non-uniformly enforced rules Google imposes on its own advertisers. Some of the stuff is bad enough it makes you think it would fall under RI…

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Apple has a near-monopoly in Tablets right? Doesn't have to be about phones.

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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post #71
post #69

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My argument isn't that such a definition of Sherman Act violations is "nerdly". It's that it's wrong. "Nerdly" is just color commentary. And, for what it's worth: it's from one nerd to another. Happy to clear that up for you.

In light of your recent rantings about "nerds"[1] and the law, it's hard to see your post as anything other than a continuation of your angry attacks on anyone who dares speak on the subject of the laws governing our hypothetically-democratic society. Your authoritarianism has degenerated into simple mockery. Even when you are right (which I think you largely are on this matter), you no longer contribute anything of…

You’re missing the point of tptacek’s criticism. He’s not trying to mock nerds, but rather to point out that their mental model of how the law works is woefully mismatched to how the law actually works, with a great deal of resulting whining and handwringing that could be avoided if they bothered to learn and think a bit about it. That I’ve seen, there’s been very little anger or ranting coming from his direction, and the label “nerd” is only barely pejorative (if at all) in the context of this forum: hardly a deep insult.

I think maybe this is an example where tone of voice is transferring poorly to internet text, and you’re interpreting his statements to have quite a bit more bite than he intends (or most others are reading)?

Re: Apple rejecting applications which use Dropbox

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...and using the Dropbox SDK is apparently violating that

THIS version does. And a NEW version doesn't. There is no specific probelem with Dropbox.

But... there... was? Not too long ago? And it might require action by users of the Dropbox SDK?

I get notifications of security updates for apache. Guess I shouldn't though, because by the time I get any it's no longer a problem with apache. Maybe I should tell my security auditor that?

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