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I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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And yet I never saw people tracking the daily electricity spot price until I moved to Finland :). Miten menee sun suomi, on kiva oppia sitä.

Minulla lemppari urheilulaji :D se kehittyy hitaasti mutta varmasti. I actually maintain several online Finnish learning resources now, including a flashcard deck of the most common 10,000 words from the YLE study way back [1], a command line lemmatizer [2], and a website whose permissions I need to refresh ASAP which archives Selkouutiset with YYYY/MM/DD URLs [3]. Indeed building these tools were what got me back in…

I love languages, but I've been scared off of Finnish because I have heard that it has impossibly complicated grammar. Is this true? Or is there a logic to it that can be easily understood?

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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> Government money printing has created a huge number of bullshit jobs. I dont know if there is a causal relation, but both are rampant. For me the worst is how hollow the word "science" has become. I refer to the old law-based science as "natural or hard science" nowadays. And all climate models (on a highly complex open system that is the earth) are not hard science. Also virology side-stepped Koch's postulate on i…

Koch's postulate's can't work on viruses, that's not how viruses work. How do you propagate an obligate parasite in a pure culture? Mycobacterium leprae (the cause of leprosy) fails Koch's postulates as well, because of the same "pure culture" issue. Plaque assays clearly show viruses exist and they are self controlling due to the dilution of the original sample and their ability to still work when the virus is cloned.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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There’s a new book from Hannah Ritchie called „Not the end of the world“, that argues for optimism, without denying the reality of the situation. It’s a fantastic book and I highly recommend it.

It almost certainly doesn't take the new evidence into account Hossenfelder is talking about.

You're right, it doesn't. But most of the books claims don't depend on a specific climate sensitivity. Climate Change is just one of the chapters. It also covers air pollution, deforestation, agriculture, biodiversity loss, ocean plastics and overfishing.

It combats the notion that we aren't achieving anything regarding long term sustainability because we're unable to coordinate on a global scale, by showcasing that we are not only moving in the right direction in many areas, we're also accelerating.

If Hansen is right and we live in a world with very high climate sensitivity then it's not looking good, but I'd still prefer to live in a world were we make noticeable progress and fall short, than in one were we watch the world turn into an uninhabitable ball of death while doing nothing.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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I think extreme doomers like this create a shitty world to live in where you're surrounded by people that adopted an extreme "nothing matters the world is doomed soon" perspective that is depressing.

It’s funny how tech bros pretend to be ultra-rational about anything they like to think about and “oh just look on the bright side” on the things that makes them a little sad.

If I call it Dunning-Kruger to point out that they think their expertise in tech translates to expertise everywhere else, they'll come back with some weaksauce akshually about what DK actually is.

I don't think it's "funny" that they waste time, energy, and resources on building bigger machines to make them more money and shit out hopium when it won't mean anything on a planet unfit for human habitation come century's end. I think it's a crime against humanity that deserves to be treated as such.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Just you wait, the effects are subtle and interlinked. If the bees eventually go extinct (which is happening right now), most plant species on earth will cease to exist. This includes fruit trees, but also a boundless number of plants animals need as food sources; animals that have other responsibilities in their ecosystems, like fertilizing the soil, transporting nutrients, and devouring vermin. Earth is inhabitable…

“Yes, the planet got destroyed. But for a beautiful moment in time we created a lot of value for shareholders.” https://www.newyorker.com/cartoon/a16995

I would be in favor of replacing the US flag with this, since flags are everywhere in the states and you'd have to see this every day, likely multiple times.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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I used to worry but living through 30 years of catastrophic predictions not happening has made me question the messenger instead. Some examples(1): 1989: Rising seas to ‘obliterate’ nations by 2000 2008: Al Gore warns of ice-free Arctic by 2013 (1) https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-poca... Don’t get me wrong. I still think it’s an area of concern. I’m actually a raging environmentalist but I jus…

You mean 30 years of listening to non-experts instead of experts. 30 years of listening to scientifically illiterate journalists who exaggerate and make stuff up to sell more papers or get more clicks, while refusing to listen to what scientists actually say.

Pretty much everything in that link is just random headlines, with zero connection to what the scientific consensus was in the listed years.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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It almost certainly doesn't take the new evidence into account Hossenfelder is talking about.

You're right, it doesn't. But most of the books claims don't depend on a specific climate sensitivity. Climate Change is just one of the chapters. It also covers air pollution, deforestation, agriculture, biodiversity loss, ocean plastics and overfishing. It combats the notion that we aren't achieving anything regarding long term sustainability because we're unable to coordinate on a global scale, by showcasing that…

"Doing nothing" sounds like a straw man position. The question is rather whether optimism is warranted. I think there are some very worrying trends where we are not moving in the right direction at all, where it is even taboo to address the problem. I doubt she mentions those.

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But you have partial control. You can vote for candidates that take climate change seriously. You can decide to buy or lease an EV instead of an ICE one. You can raise the bar for when you book a flight. And so on...

It's not up to individuals to fix it. Your impact is nothing. Cars matter very little in the big picture as well -- it's a distraction to blame the little people. The vast majority of pollution is caused by industrial processes. The fix here is simple: regulate and enforce the regulation. The main polluting countries are: the USA: too afraid to do anything in case it affects their economy, political caste too corrupt…

China is the worst offender, by a huge margin.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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We don't care about pollution, for climate change only the pollution of carbon dioxide matters. The majority of carbon dioxide is produced by transportation and heating, much of that from individuals. There are a lot of people that want to deflect from action on climate change by focusing on the oil refinery and not the tailpipe. Your list is suspiciously missing China, the biggest producer of CO2. Saudi Arabia is do…

I listed the countries blocking progress, not the one that produced more according to some arbitrary metric.

You wrote "the main polluting countries", not "the main impediments to progress".
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