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Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

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Re: Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

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Post by HackerThemAll »

127361 wrote: post #70

Polychlorinated Biphenyls, Agent Orange, 2,3,7,8-TCDD, aspartame, patented GM crops and now glyphosate the list goes on. Monsanto (now Bayer) is really living up to the name of "evil corporation". https://dioxindorms.com/content/chronology.html https://link.springer.com/article/10.1057/s41271-018-0146-8 https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/feb/24/monsanto...

Yeah this is just a tip of an iceberg.

Read about Bayer's predecessors legacy during II WW of "medical" experimentation on humans in concentration camps, enslavement, tortures, supplying gas to mass killings and more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IG_Farben#World_War_II_and_the...

Re: Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

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Post by gklitz »

SeanLuke wrote: post #77
127361 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been classed as an IARC Group 2B suspected carcinogen, this is new research (2023). https://www.who.int/news/item/14-07-2023-aspartame-hazard-an... https://www.ewg.org/news-insights/statement/2023/06/widely-u...

This is a category that includes pickles and cell phones. The standards for this category is if some study exists somewhere suggested that, in some quantity, an item might be carcinogenic, possibly only with certain animals. The studies do not require follow-ups or repeatability. It's the lowest standard that the IARC uses. But you just threw that in with Agent Orange. I declare this a canonical example of someone wi…

I knew it! The evil corporate overloads have been trying to kill us all of just for profit by selling delicious but cancerous pickles!

Re: Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

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Post by 127361 »

infogulch wrote: post #67
at_a_remove wrote: post #56

I have a sciences degree, and I'm not a complete weenie about some of the downright amazing things we have accomplished, but some time ago it occurred to me -- and I haven't really been able to rid myself of it -- that we have replaced some previously "mechanical" processes with chemicals, which we then haven't developed a good set of strictures around developing. Pull a weed? No, spray a crop. We could polish a thin…

There's a detail that is often missed in discussions about the use of roundup: it is not only used to kill weeds. Roundup is also used right before harvesting as a 'drying agent' to control when the crop ripens. See, wheat is a pesky, messy living plant and it can grow and ripen at different rates even in a single field. This is an issue because if you harvest before it's ripe and dry it can rot and mold due to too m…

Roundup being used as "drying agent", even I didn't know about that one. So much for me complaining about Sucralose and Aspartame, now we have glyphosate added to our foods, in large quantities. Shit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_desiccation#Systemic_desi...

And I wonder what the combined effects of all these chemicals in our foods are on our health. Something which the studies don't usually cover?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/06/the-we...

Re: Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

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Post by danielmarkbruce »

ryukoposting wrote: post #33
danielmarkbruce wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are they down so much?

The Roundup lawsuits are a factor. One of their largest products is an albatross.

It's only 2.5 bill. In the grand scheme, not that much. Or, are you saying that product line now goes to zero? I don't know how much they are making out of that line.

Re: Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

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Post by MichaelZuo »

127361 wrote: post #78
SeanLuke wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a category that includes pickles and cell phones. The standards for this category is if some study exists somewhere suggested that, in some quantity, an item might be carcinogenic, possibly only with certain animals. The studies do not require follow-ups or repeatability. It's the lowest standard that the IARC uses. But you just threw that in with Agent Orange. I declare this a canonical example of someone wi…

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8227014/

The linked page doesn't appear to contradict the parent?

Re: Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

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Post by EasyMark »

127361 wrote: post #70

Polychlorinated Biphenyls, Agent Orange, 2,3,7,8-TCDD, aspartame, patented GM crops and now glyphosate the list goes on. Monsanto (now Bayer) is really living up to the name of "evil corporation". https://dioxindorms.com/content/chronology.html https://link.springer.com/article/10.1057/s41271-018-0146-8 https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/feb/24/monsanto...

aspartame is one of the most studied substances in human history. It's fine, it's safe. It's not healthy per se unless it helps you kick the sugar habit, but it's a neutral substance.

Re: Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

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Post by EasyMark »

at_a_remove wrote: post #56

I have a sciences degree, and I'm not a complete weenie about some of the downright amazing things we have accomplished, but some time ago it occurred to me -- and I haven't really been able to rid myself of it -- that we have replaced some previously "mechanical" processes with chemicals, which we then haven't developed a good set of strictures around developing. Pull a weed? No, spray a crop. We could polish a thin…

I suspect in coming years pulling weeds may become feasible with AI, better robotics and vision systems, but it'll be a while before that would be feasible on a grand scale like industrial farming. Maybe it could be used for organic in the beginning as a test bed in a higher profit industry.

Re: Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

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Post by EasyMark »

infogulch wrote: post #67
at_a_remove wrote: post #56

I have a sciences degree, and I'm not a complete weenie about some of the downright amazing things we have accomplished, but some time ago it occurred to me -- and I haven't really been able to rid myself of it -- that we have replaced some previously "mechanical" processes with chemicals, which we then haven't developed a good set of strictures around developing. Pull a weed? No, spray a crop. We could polish a thin…

There's a detail that is often missed in discussions about the use of roundup: it is not only used to kill weeds. Roundup is also used right before harvesting as a 'drying agent' to control when the crop ripens. See, wheat is a pesky, messy living plant and it can grow and ripen at different rates even in a single field. This is an issue because if you harvest before it's ripe and dry it can rot and mold due to too m…

Do you have any proof that there are large amounts of round up left on wheat after it's processed and before it's sold to be used for things like flour or that round up is present all through the current food chain?

Re: Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

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Post by EasyMark »

refurb wrote: post #51
google234123 wrote: post #5

This is so ridiculous, the science points to the fact that the claim that it causes cancer is not true... I really don't like the american justice system. We literally live next to coal plants that put chemicals in the air 24/7 that are certainly certainly causing cancer for people later... You can find studies showing certain meats are correlated with cancer, can we sue the grocery stores?

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Yes, this is basically lawyers knowing that American juries have all heard about round up and cancer, generally don't have a good understanding of statistics or science in general, and usually root for the little guy. Bring those together and you got yourself a nice fat billion dollar verdict of which your law firm will get 20-30% of

Re: Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

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Post by walr000s »

127361 wrote: post #83
infogulch wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a detail that is often missed in discussions about the use of roundup: it is not only used to kill weeds. Roundup is also used right before harvesting as a 'drying agent' to control when the crop ripens. See, wheat is a pesky, messy living plant and it can grow and ripen at different rates even in a single field. This is an issue because if you harvest before it's ripe and dry it can rot and mold due to too m…

Roundup being used as "drying agent", even I didn't know about that one. So much for me complaining about Sucralose and Aspartame, now we have glyphosate added to our foods, in large quantities. Shit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_desiccation#Systemic_desi... And I wonder what the combined effects of all these chemicals in our foods are on our health. Something which the studies don't usually cover? https://www.…

The wikipedia link says that its use as a drying agent in the States is uncommon...though not in Canada.
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