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Long Covid is associated with cognitive slowing

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Re: Long Covid is associated with cognitive slowing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget the use of bots, AI-generated articles, etc.

Are you implying there are 14k articles produced by bots just about fibromyalgia? ChatGPT isn’t even 2 years old!

No, I am implying that 14k articles were produced on the topic of Long COVID clearly differentiating it from "fibromyalgia". Which is a viewpoint only shared by a select few not even researching the condition.

These syndromes are best described by their respective pathogen: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01810-6

EDIT: Sorry, you were talking to someone else. Disregard this comment.

Re: Long Covid is associated with cognitive slowing

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Since 2019 I've been: - Vaccinated for COVID once - Infected with COVID 3 times - Infected with RSV once - Infected with unknown ?? upper respiratory, two times. I am absolutely less "sharp". It feels like both my cognitive and physical ability have taken a serious blow. I'm far less creative, less excited about work, less interested in challenging topics, and less capable of solving complex problems. I will sometime…

Hey, to chip in: try cardio, especially running. Men loose muscle mass with age, as you are already aware, resistance training is important, but cardio should be on top of your list.

I was there with you in terms of brain fog, general mental slowdown, what is called cognitive decline, and mind you, I presume we are healthy, without cognitive degeneration or serius injuries or conditions.

Running 3 times per week should get you on track in about a month. Try it and notice the difference. We are made for movement. If you're healthy and don't feel like running, in my case, i immediately know i should be doing the thing I don't feel like doing. Running. 1x interval training, 1x hill repeats, 1, long run in cardio zone 2. If you can, get s Garmin watch. Stats will help you maintain focus on the big picture. Streaks can help reframe for consistency.

I started training when corona hit, this is the best I've felt ever. Slowly progressed to cycling on off days for better recovery. Bought smart watches for friends, now we keep each other in check, we sometimes even meet at the pool at 6 am for a quick swim session. I now do some kind of activity 6 times per week. If i ever stop working on software, I'll help others train and get better to feel good and feel healthy - that's how much it gave me and i absolutely love it.

hint: optimize for training the next 20-30 years (I'm 39) which means injury prevention, recovery activities, everything else as nutrition and rest follows as you observe your own body and get in tune with what it needs. Honest good luck to you, I'm excited for you!

Re: Long Covid is associated with cognitive slowing

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Since 2019 I've been: - Vaccinated for COVID once - Infected with COVID 3 times - Infected with RSV once - Infected with unknown ?? upper respiratory, two times. I am absolutely less "sharp". It feels like both my cognitive and physical ability have taken a serious blow. I'm far less creative, less excited about work, less interested in challenging topics, and less capable of solving complex problems. I will sometime…

When/if biomarkers come out, you should do a test for Long COVID. The persistence studies are pretty telling and it is very possible that lingering viral antigen may be causing these issues for you and a large chunk of the global population.

Other folks like me have more syndromic Long COVID where it affects many more organs and it is a bit more obvious that it was a direct result of a COVID infection or vaccination(post vaccination syndrome is absolutely a thing).

Re: Long Covid is associated with cognitive slowing

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For me COVID somehow coincided with the most depressive period in my life. The brain fog and tiredness was something that I had never experienced before.

My context window was so narrow felt like I was operating at 2 percent capacity. It’s normal for depression to cause fatigue but literally cleaning my apartment once a month would drain me for week and a half. I love to journal I’d sit down and somehow words weren’t flowing. The entire system was haywire.

I ate well, started even going to the gym but only at the end of summer 2023 did my energy slowly come back. I was also mistakenly attributing this to getting older.

My mind is now alpha zero and depression is gone. Crazy times pandemic plus depression plus bad SWE market. It was basically hell and I thought Id never recover. Health is the most important thing in this life.

Re: Long Covid is associated with cognitive slowing

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically, the claim you've made in your comment carries exactly as much weight as the claim of the person you're replying to does, which is zero, as both of you have just typed out some generic wide-sweeping opinion about a topic without linking to a single piece of data to support your claim.

Not quite. I am armed and ready with sources as part of the game, and the statement on epistemology hardly needs qualification.

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Re: Long Covid is associated with cognitive slowing

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Since 2019 I've been: - Vaccinated for COVID once - Infected with COVID 3 times - Infected with RSV once - Infected with unknown ?? upper respiratory, two times. I am absolutely less "sharp". It feels like both my cognitive and physical ability have taken a serious blow. I'm far less creative, less excited about work, less interested in challenging topics, and less capable of solving complex problems. I will sometime…

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Re: Long Covid is associated with cognitive slowing

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Since 2019 I've been: - Vaccinated for COVID once - Infected with COVID 3 times - Infected with RSV once - Infected with unknown ?? upper respiratory, two times. I am absolutely less "sharp". It feels like both my cognitive and physical ability have taken a serious blow. I'm far less creative, less excited about work, less interested in challenging topics, and less capable of solving complex problems. I will sometime…

Hey, to chip in: try cardio, especially running. Men loose muscle mass with age, as you are already aware, resistance training is important, but cardio should be on top of your list. I was there with you in terms of brain fog, general mental slowdown, what is called cognitive decline, and mind you, I presume we are healthy, without cognitive degeneration or serius injuries or conditions. Running 3 times per week shou…

Agree. Also testosterone. I was lucky enough to have lab work before and after getting covid twice. My T numbers halved in less than a year. I was still within the “normal range” so it took some arguing with the doctors to get a prescription for a very low dose. Within 24 hours of starting, I felt like myself again. Brain fog was gone, energy was back, my mood rebounded. No negative side effects thus far. I had tried a lot prior to starting: intense therapy, ketamine, lots of exercise, losing weight, supplementation, lots of lab work. Nothing was as impactful as getting that jab.

Side note: the normal range for T is so wide that it’s meaningless.

Re: Long Covid is associated with cognitive slowing

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Since 2019 I've been: - Vaccinated for COVID once - Infected with COVID 3 times - Infected with RSV once - Infected with unknown ?? upper respiratory, two times. I am absolutely less "sharp". It feels like both my cognitive and physical ability have taken a serious blow. I'm far less creative, less excited about work, less interested in challenging topics, and less capable of solving complex problems. I will sometime…

> I'm far less creative, less excited about work, less interested in challenging topics, and less capable of solving complex problems.

So, just to point this out: none of those symptoms are remotely unique to Long Covid, or any other disorder. They correlate with real/known/unsurprising conditions like depression, alcoholism, aging and even stuff like poor diet even more strongly than with covid; and of course they're the kind of thing we all deal with as we go through life. No one works at peak performance through their whole career. Everyone has rough patches.

Does that invalidate your covid experience? No. I'm just saying this is the kind of thing you (and I, and all of us) were going to deal with at some point anyway.

Re: Long Covid is associated with cognitive slowing

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Since 2019 I've been: - Vaccinated for COVID once - Infected with COVID 3 times - Infected with RSV once - Infected with unknown ?? upper respiratory, two times. I am absolutely less "sharp". It feels like both my cognitive and physical ability have taken a serious blow. I'm far less creative, less excited about work, less interested in challenging topics, and less capable of solving complex problems. I will sometime…

Vaccinated three times, had it twice. The first time, no long term effects. The second time, well... I think it is getting better, but I feel you. Stuff I know I know the solution to, I know I can do in the blonk of an eye just seems to be hidden behind some wall of fog. Takes sheer willpower to get through that, then it is done in a heart beat. After that, my energy seems to be gone. Wasn't a problem at work, for no…

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Re: Long Covid is associated with cognitive slowing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you referring to this preprint? https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.11.21.567575v1 Regardless, you trust a single redditor's comments with no verifiable proof over peer-reviewed science and on-going clinical trials?

It's one datapoint. Not sure why I should by default distrust somebody whose life was ruined by it and is essentially involved in a human-style reinforcement learning crowdsourcing trying to figure out how to recover by sharing what worked and what didn't.

Trust but verify comes to mind here. I have personally tried to verify this because I work on a project to bring all stories(good, bad, neutral) on novel therapeutics + Long COVID and I have yet to be successful in verifying this with the poster over a couple months.

They told me previously to reach out to a specific Long COVID advocacy group and when I did, that group replied with very limited data as no one had really tried it. Now they are claiming it is a Facebook group with this new post, so something is not adding up here. Let alone all the other public anecdotal and research evidence suggesting the opposite or being neutral. I will continue to try to verify, but I hope you can see why we cannot just trust what is said on the internet as truth.

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