Okay, but what now?
I’ll say one that is taboo. Don’t have kids.
I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]
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Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]
#702Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree, but there is a meaningful difference between having dispossessed hordes on your doorstep and being among those dispossessed hordes having to find a place for yourself; and if the price of grain doubles, for a poor community that means starvation while a wealthy community would barely notice.
...until the dispossessed hordes burn it to the ground. The belief that rich people will be able to ride this one out is a huge part of the problem. No matter how deep your bunker, no matter how many acres of land you own, extreme weather will make all of it worthless.
This scenario is not a zombie apocalypse where the hordes are literally at your doorsteps and it's individuals protecting themselves from other nearby individuals.
The climate change may easily cause large scale international conflict or fights over resources at national level, but the distance between places without capacity to handle the weather and the better-off areas generally are thousands of miles and an ocean, and the parties to any conflict would be neighboring communities of many millions of people each - I mean, this discussion is about "what will happen to the population of current Bangladesh, and what effect that will have on neighboring countries" not about what will happen for few rich people in USA against their literal neighbors from the same state and county.
I fully expect that the wealthy countries can handle some internal displacement due to e.g. sea level rise without mass violence and a general breakdown of internal order - people having to abandon coastal properties in Florida would cause economic woes and internal political pressure to Do Something (not necessarily constructive), not cause the displaced Florida men to form large uncontested gangs roaming the Midwest looking for bunkers to loot.
Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]
#703Earlier quoted context omitted.
How was my comment related to suicide? I was talking about the process that will take place - and since it will - then at THAT time it still shouldn't be painful. Life might or might not go on, but I don't see any reason to make our lives more miserable just to make sure even more people can experience those miserable lives. That's why I don't care about preserving resources or living conditions for "future generatio…
Thinking that reducing living standards to more ecosphere-compatible levels (at current technological sophistication no less) would result in "miserable lives" is an unfortunate consequence of the consumerist programming of the late 20th century. We're consuming a lot of pointless shit that could be cut without much consequence. Stop ads and you will find out what some of that is. Another big problem being throwaway…
The thing is that this reduction negatively impacts especially the poor. The rich will consume less pointless shit, but for the poor it means things like not being able to heat their house, not being able to have a car (since they can't afford the new, "eco friendly" one). That's why they rightfully revolt against.. or maybe that's WHAT they revolt against.
I use LineageOS on my phone, thanks to this I have an up-to-date system with security patches. Oh, and of course a shiny warning about the unlocked bootloader... Many people would prefer having a non-bloated phone that they don't have to replace very often. But those who make it as-hard-as-possible are the very same people who shout very loudly about the need to sacrifice in order to deal with climate change.
Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]
#704It's extremely frustrating to watch our world deteriorating because politicians aren't willing to actually do their jobs and govern. I'd go even stronger and, for the US, pass regulations that all emissions of all kinds must be captured or the company will be fined double the cost of environmental remediation as executed by contractors employed by the government (scaling from 1% of the fine to 100% of the fine over X…
You say that as though politicians appear out of thin air. The root problem is that the average person isn't motivated to do anything, including voting in politicians who will do something. That and misinformation isn't helping.
Average American, perhaps, with our "rugged individualism" and apparent lack of empathy.
Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]
#705Earlier quoted context omitted.
the impending collapse of cattle farming will cause the majority of agricultural land to return to the wild. This is a larger amount of land than all other human activities combined
It would make me jump from pure joy, but what gives you the idea there was a pending collapse of cattle farming?
The demographics don’t look good for the beef industry.
Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]
#706Just a contextual note -- one thing Sabine says is: AI won't help because we know the exact solution, we just aren't willing to do it. Presumably she's referring to her first proposal -- a carbon tax. It's my understanding that there's nearly consensus among economists that a carbon tax is the most efficient solution to global warming, but political consensus that it would never happen when framed as a tax. If you do…
It's not just on a global level.
In germany we can't agree on building new north-south power lines to transport the energy we generate through wind power.
..and in the USA (and many other 1st world countries) you still have one of the two political parties who doesn't even agree that climate change is either real or poses a serious problem.
Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]
#707It's extremely frustrating to watch our world deteriorating because politicians aren't willing to actually do their jobs and govern. I'd go even stronger and, for the US, pass regulations that all emissions of all kinds must be captured or the company will be fined double the cost of environmental remediation as executed by contractors employed by the government (scaling from 1% of the fine to 100% of the fine over X…
Arguably the job of democratically elected politicians is to represent the interests of their constituents - so when there's internationally a "prisoner's dillema"/"tragedy of commons" scenario where there is a lack of global coordination and taking on unilateral commitments would hurt their people but not really solve the issue, it can make all sense for an effective, honest politician doing their job to "defect" and put the interests of their people above the interests of the rest of the world.
Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]
#708Stop being afraid. Stay away from climate change cults.
Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]
#709Earlier quoted context omitted.
the impending collapse of cattle farming will cause the majority of agricultural land to return to the wild. This is a larger amount of land than all other human activities combined
It would make me jump from pure joy, but what gives you the idea there was a pending collapse of cattle farming?
precision fermentation and lab-grown meat both exhibit cost curves analogous to Moore’s Law. within the next ten years, they’ll outcompete animal products in many situations. the first domino to fall will be milk-extracts used in processed food products, see startups like “Remilk”
Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]
#710Earlier quoted context omitted.
It would make me jump from pure joy, but what gives you the idea there was a pending collapse of cattle farming?
Data shows a very tiny downard trend in the last decade [1] - I'm not exactly sure how you can project that into a "collapse", but, hey, "predictions are hard, especially about the future", I guess ? [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/263979/global-cattle-pop...