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Re: Ask HN: Is it really so dull to work in huge company?

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Consulting: Limitless income Not exactly. Consulting is purely a function of your Bill Rate x Hours Worked. And given there’s only so many hours in a day, it’s very much a Limited Income job.

It's not common, but fixed/value based bids aren't impossible to pull off. That's the one way to really decouple pay from hours.

This works both ways though, there is a reason why time and materials is so common.

Re: Ask HN: Is it really so dull to work in huge company?

#82
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You just described Microsoft. (and I'm sure its FAANG friends too)

I remember when it was "FAANGMA" - I don't know why people stopped considering Microsoft "worthy" of being an aspirational employer. I've done my time there (3 years as a college-hire) - still my favourite overall employer, I just had a sucky position (and undiagnosed ADHD... yah...). P.S. If any hiring-managers in the OSG Shell team (i.e. Explorer.exe) see this, get in touch, there's so many small little bugs I want…

I have friends who’ve been working at microsoft for years and seem to like it, and others who worked there and described it as “soul destroying”. I guess in really big companies you can have varied experiences depending on specific team/location/boss.

Re: Ask HN: Is it really so dull to work in huge company?

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Big companies can run as 'safer' startups. We took something that was a sales pitch/demo and expanded it into a nicely engineered production system that was making 8-10M a year internally. That was eventually gobbled up by another group who made even bigger promises. For that financial safety, there is no great financial reward. Every organization runs differently - some feel like excellent navigators, some real chuckle heads - and that part can shift. The flip side is it is easier to shift yourself internally too.

For every cool project, there are probably a dozen legacy programs that need work. Fixing broken can be interesting - but leadership needs to be interesting in improving things vs seeing how long they can drive it without changing the oil. Flee those organizations or be the agent of change.

Individuals can matter, but generally one has to have impact beyond their 'day' job. An excellent line order cook won't really have impact. A sous chef / master sergeant can change an org, which can also change something larger.

Don't underestimate the domain knowledge. It really helps to understand what the business actually does (or needs to do). Coding to a spec without understanding the why usually produces mediocre results, which is often the norm.

Re: Ask HN: Is it really so dull to work in huge company?

#84
Honestly yeah it’s that dull

At big companies the attitude is almost like: clock in, do the minimum, clock out

I used to work at a startup and it was probably the funnest time of my whole career despite the bad pay

I wouldn’t go back but I do miss it sometimes

Re: Ask HN: Is it really so dull to work in huge company?

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post #41

Something most people don't think about with large companies: They aren't monoliths. Your experience could be totally different in a different part of the company. 300k people is going to create a ton of variance. That said, I've found the larger the company, the more politics matters. And the more politics matters, the less your performance matters, and the more the other things matter. Personally, if given my way,…

There was an abusive manager (cursing, shouting, making subordinates cry) at a 200+k employee client I worked at. Subordinates told HR. I assumed they would fire him but they transferred him. I asked my manager because that seemed bonkers to me. He explained that that group had jobs to do that were low priority, had their own building, could only be transferred to. You couldn't leave except by quitting/retiring. Some…

Sad thing is: When you said him... I can replace your friend and the manager into the rest of the paragraph and it makes sense.

But I could see that at any firm, in the right situation.

Re: Ask HN: Is it really so dull to work in huge company?

#87
As soon as companies get big things change a lot. Even if they are still considered medium sized. I once switched from a 20 person startup to company with more than 1000 employees. In both cases I was very close to the CEO. In the startup I could access almost everything whereas in the bigger company I was not even able to get a list of all repos in our central source code repository system. And of course there was no technical reason for that. It was just politics.

Re: Ask HN: Is it really so dull to work in huge company?

#88

In many ways, it's about where you are in any company. If you're in a business critical, mature project with massive risk controls to prevent anything from going haywire, it's going to seem slow, since you'll (for instance) end up spending 5 hours running tests, formal verification and such to ensure that you're 5 line change doesn't break the system. If, on the other hand, you're in the new Skunkworks division, tryi…

>wasted $50million

the amount of waste is unbelievable and utterly sickening. and that 50 million is just a drop in the bucket, compared to the huge waste of money and other resources worldwide, and not just in the software field.

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