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Please don't talk like that about Sweden. They are bad, but don't quite deserve this.
What’s wrong with Sweden? I thought they were generally regarded as a sane well run country. Has that changed?
The nasty neighbour is obviously Russia and the comment below pretended that Sweden was meant instead
I used to worry but living through 30 years of catastrophic predictions not happening has made me question the messenger instead. Some examples(1): 1989: Rising seas to ‘obliterate’ nations by 2000 2008: Al Gore warns of ice-free Arctic by 2013 (1) https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-poca... Don’t get me wrong. I still think it’s an area of concern. I’m actually a raging environmentalist but I jus…
>but living through 30 years of catastrophic predictions not happening has made me question the messenger instead. Have you seen what's been happening the last couple of years? There are catastrophic predictions actually happening, sure some of them were wrong but the planet is in a pretty fucked up state right now.
It couldn't be an attempt to make white people accept poverty by the big corps who sponsor politicians and control research grant monies ?
I was always pro-environment and pro-more-industry-regulations, since I can think. Then came Greta and the doomsayers. Realising there is really nothing more I can do--I am already walking to work and don't even own a car--I stopped supporting apocalypse-loving-movements and went back to living my life as I used to do. I was developed an aversion for the climate apocalypse movement since. I wonder, if they managed to…
I'm the same. I'm a quiet greenish person. I don't own a car I walk and I hate these death cults whose sole nihilism is that you shouldn't exist, you were born into Original Sin™ for being the wrong sex/gender/race/country, and when you aren't busy killing off things you enjoy, you yourself can only be green when you die. The logistical thing to these cults is suicide to prevent global warming, so they mentally circl…
Which world do you live in? It can’t be Earth. Go outside and talk to people and please realize spending all your time online is bad for your health. What you’ve described here doesn’t exist.
Just a contextual note -- one thing Sabine says is: AI won't help because we know the exact solution, we just aren't willing to do it. Presumably she's referring to her first proposal -- a carbon tax. It's my understanding that there's nearly consensus among economists that a carbon tax is the most efficient solution to global warming, but political consensus that it would never happen when framed as a tax. If you do…
No sovereign is going to agree to subordinate itself without all others doing the same
Classic prisoners dilemma
I was always pro-environment and pro-more-industry-regulations, since I can think. Then came Greta and the doomsayers. Realising there is really nothing more I can do--I am already walking to work and don't even own a car--I stopped supporting apocalypse-loving-movements and went back to living my life as I used to do. I was developed an aversion for the climate apocalypse movement since. I wonder, if they managed to…
Quoting myself (again) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36619271 : - There's no climate change - Climate change is okay and has no impact - Climate change exists but it's due to natural causes - Climate change exists but it's due to natural causes and its impacts are small - Climate change exists but its impacts are good for us - Climate change exists but we will adapt - Climate change exists and its the activist…
I no longer worry. I'm extremely pessimistic about the impending climate change. I believe Sabine isn't pessimistic enough about what to anticipate. Consider the tundra methane emissions and the explosive release of methane-hydrates from the oceans, along with water vapor, a potent greenhouse gas. The disaster looming over all ecosystems (a mass extinction event) that will happen in decades and the doom-phase could l…
I think extreme doomers like this create a shitty world to live in where you're surrounded by people that adopted an extreme "nothing matters the world is doomed soon" perspective that is depressing.
What you're describing is people experiencing grief. I'm what you would call an "extreme doomer", and did feel this way about a decade ago when I first realized the dire situation we are in.
But your first reaction is not the end. Waking up and accepting our state, and the despair that came with it, was the first stage in a long process of learning to live, and be comfortable in the world the way it is.
What you are suggesting is that we just ignore grief and pretend nothing is happening. I suppose this is just the denial stage of grieving, but it's worth recognizing that the people you know feeling this way are working through a process.
Pretending that someone isn't dead isn't a long term solution to accepting loss, even if it means in the short term you are in a dark place emotionally. It's unfortunately it upsets you to see people experiencing this, but those people, given enough time, might be in a better place to help you when you finally have to let go of denial.
You can do something about this. I got involved in climate advocacy in 2021. Since then I’ve successfully lobbied my local government to start an energy resources study, which will look at ways for my community to quickly transition to renewables. A small thing. But if we all do small things, it will add up! Still though. My state, Arizona has really terrible people writing awful laws. This legislative session they’r…
I think the next phase will be people like me, not climate change deniers but climate change doomers.
The US could go carbon neutral tomorrow and it wouldnt make a dent because of China, India and Russia. 3 Billion people pumping pollution into the the air like their is no tomorrow vs. a couple hundred million reducing their footprint isn't going to make a lick of difference. I think people have always had a hard time understanding things at scale, especially a global scale.
The ONLY answer, live your life like there's no tomorrow because chances are is there isn't going to be.
Just a contextual note -- one thing Sabine says is: AI won't help because we know the exact solution, we just aren't willing to do it. Presumably she's referring to her first proposal -- a carbon tax. It's my understanding that there's nearly consensus among economists that a carbon tax is the most efficient solution to global warming, but political consensus that it would never happen when framed as a tax. If you do…
Just a contextual note -- one thing Sabine says is: AI won't help because we know the exact solution, we just aren't willing to do it. Presumably she's referring to her first proposal -- a carbon tax. It's my understanding that there's nearly consensus among economists that a carbon tax is the most efficient solution to global warming, but political consensus that it would never happen when framed as a tax. If you do…
Why would anyone worry about things they have no control on? People that overestimate the value of their opinions, maybe.
But you have partial control. You can vote for candidates that take climate change seriously. You can decide to buy or lease an EV instead of an ICE one. You can raise the bar for when you book a flight. And so on...
The people that believe in climate change don’t understand how to solve the problem. And the people that know how to solve the problem don’t really consider it a problem worth solving at this point.