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I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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There’s a new book from Hannah Ritchie called „Not the end of the world“, that argues for optimism, without denying the reality of the situation. It’s a fantastic book and I highly recommend it.

The whole premise of the book is a multi-layered hail mary, or a hail mary that continually plays out like a jackpot based on vibes and misconstruing the forces that are causing climate change. Not sure why you'd call this "fantastic" other than it's a feel-good book without any evidence to support it. >Carbon emissions per capita are actually down [1] It takes maybe 2 minutes, maybe upwards of 10, to realize why thi…

You're free to dislike the book, but I can't really follow your criticism. The book is clearly not "based on vibes". It's chock full of data to support the authors claims.

Now you might argue that the data either doesn't support the claims made, or you might doubt its legitimacy, but instead of providing a reason you just told me that it should be obvious why the book is nonsense. That doesn't really give me a lot to engage with and I'm not going to try to make your arguments for you.

For me the Book had its intended effect. It argues that the climate movement, as it gained mainstream popularity, also lost its ability to convey nuance in favor of projecting a strong "we are heading towards certain doom" message. This helped grow the movement, but is also responsible for a lot of young people feeling completely hopeless. That's certainly something I could heavily relate with before reading the book. The book then goes on to highlight areas where the world has made much bigger progress than I would have thought. For me this turned a feeling of intense hopelessness into one of motivation.

So was the Book meant to make me feel good? Sure. In that sense I guess you can call it a feel-good book. Were the claims unsubstantiated and "without any evidence to support" them? Certainly not.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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I live in the south of france, and I really need to move to a cooler region in france. Summer are very long, nights are hot, makes it hard to sleep well. I don't have enough money to install AC. Mobile AC is too noisy. I have been postponing for 4 years now. I am reading The Ministry Of The Future, it's a great book. India will be the first to suffer from this.

We need passive building cooling like:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03062...

AC won't scale

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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I agree, but there is a meaningful difference between having dispossessed hordes on your doorstep and being among those dispossessed hordes having to find a place for yourself; and if the price of grain doubles, for a poor community that means starvation while a wealthy community would barely notice.

...until the dispossessed hordes burn it to the ground. The belief that rich people will be able to ride this one out is a huge part of the problem. No matter how deep your bunker, no matter how many acres of land you own, extreme weather will make all of it worthless.

You seem to believe that the disposed hordes will inevitable be able to burn it to the ground despite primarily being dispossessed from places with near primitive military practices, alone supplies. While we’re writing fictional tales, there’s an alternative ending to this fiction that ends with the dispossessed hordes simply losing.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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I live in the south of france, and I really need to move to a cooler region in france. Summer are very long, nights are hot, makes it hard to sleep well. I don't have enough money to install AC. Mobile AC is too noisy. I have been postponing for 4 years now. I am reading The Ministry Of The Future, it's a great book. India will be the first to suffer from this.

KSR is a good prose writer but I found The Ministry of the Future to be full of extremely unconvincing scenarios and I don't think you should let it inform your worldview. It's just a story written by someone who does not really know what they're talking about.

actually KSR writes hard scifi, so he does do his research before writing

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

#635

There’s a new book from Hannah Ritchie called „Not the end of the world“, that argues for optimism, without denying the reality of the situation. It’s a fantastic book and I highly recommend it.

The whole premise of the book is a multi-layered hail mary, or a hail mary that continually plays out like a jackpot based on vibes and misconstruing the forces that are causing climate change. Not sure why you'd call this "fantastic" other than it's a feel-good book without any evidence to support it. >Carbon emissions per capita are actually down [1] It takes maybe 2 minutes, maybe upwards of 10, to realize why thi…

ChatGPT burns quite a lot of energy. We need less of LLMs, not more

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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The IPCC 6 says "It is very unlikely that gas clathrates (mostly methane) in deeper terrestrial permafrost and subsea clathrates will lead to a detectable departure from the emissions trajectory during this century". Your pessimism may be trendy but it isn't supported by the bear available evidence.

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You can always print more money… it’s harder to print clouds

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Just a contextual note -- one thing Sabine says is: AI won't help because we know the exact solution, we just aren't willing to do it.

Presumably she's referring to her first proposal -- a carbon tax. It's my understanding that there's nearly consensus among economists that a carbon tax is the most efficient solution to global warming, but political consensus that it would never happen when framed as a tax.

If you don't know what a carbon tax is, or why it's orders of magnitude more efficient a solution than "eat less meat" I'd encourage you to look into it a bit. Essentially if you create a system where what is best for the planet is also the cheapest course of action (for individuals and businesses), you no longer have to rely on convincing every single individual to change their morality/beliefs.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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You are right. Americans will be fine. We’ve got enough money to fortify cities from rising waters. Well maybe not some poor areas. But we’ve never cared about the poors, so they can suffer. The border will be where the American crisis exists. Droughts will cause the poor and hungry to flee their homes. We’ll see a refugee crisis at the border that makes today look tiny. Oh and refugee crisis’ that are left unsolved…

I think you need to look more closely at the wildfires in the western USA, and wet bulb temps high enough to kill people just sitting in the shade drinking water.[1] A power outage there will cause a very large number of deaths.

[1] https://thehill.com/homenews/nexstar_media_wire/4074341-extr...

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Please don't talk like that about Sweden. They are bad, but don't quite deserve this.

What’s wrong with Sweden? I thought they were generally regarded as a sane well run country. Has that changed?

Are you kidding? The Swedes are down right savages. Ever hear of Swedish meatballs? They originated in Finland. Cultural appropriation in the extreme!
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