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I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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From my observations the current rightwing meme is that women in rich countries haven't had sufficient numbers of children and measures to drive increased population should be put in place. This is congruent with removing women's bodily autonomy, banning abortion and banning or restricting birth control of all types.

I have never in my life seen or heard anyone advocating for less use of birth control. This might be an N=1 scenario, but my bullshit'o-meter is tingling a bit. The people I know on the right have nothing against birth control. They are just against abortion exept for exceptional circuimstances, because by that point the relevant parties had their chance with birth control. To them, abortion shouldn't be an escape ha…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiverfull

https://michiganadvance.com/2022/02/20/gop-attorney-general-...

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/birth-control-side-eff...

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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What country is going to take the hit and start the high altitude sulfur spraying? If we even could get the forcing back to what it already was in the recent past that would be a great help.

How long would that temporary measure help? What would that do to acidic rain, global dimming, ecology and agriculture. Masking the problem will only make it come back harder when measures don't scale up anymore. Then there'll be no time to do much more.

As long as is needed to transition away from burning fossil fuels. You can always put more in high altitude. If half the comments here are right and climate change is truly an apocalyptic threat, then acid rain and global dimming would be worthwhile tradeoffs.

If climate change isn't extremely bad, then maybe it's not worth it. But at some point, if it becomes existential, then all options are on the table.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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How was my comment related to suicide? I was talking about the process that will take place - and since it will - then at THAT time it still shouldn't be painful. Life might or might not go on, but I don't see any reason to make our lives more miserable just to make sure even more people can experience those miserable lives. That's why I don't care about preserving resources or living conditions for "future generatio…

"because I'll die anyway. What remains now is to make that process as painless as possible" The most efficient way to achieve it, would be a overdose of pain killers.

However this requires the person to a) know that this is the time and b) be able to act.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Second order effects will be the killer. It won’t be the coastal flooding, it will be the dispossessed hordes. It won’t be the uninhabitable areas, it will be the rapid rise in price of food staples. No matter where you are, the chaos will come to your door, when it comes. Takes surprisingly little to collapse a civilisation when you kick its knees out from under it.

I agree, but there is a meaningful difference between having dispossessed hordes on your doorstep and being among those dispossessed hordes having to find a place for yourself; and if the price of grain doubles, for a poor community that means starvation while a wealthy community would barely notice.

...until the dispossessed hordes burn it to the ground.

The belief that rich people will be able to ride this one out is a huge part of the problem. No matter how deep your bunker, no matter how many acres of land you own, extreme weather will make all of it worthless.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

#625

Why would anyone worry about things they have no control on? People that overestimate the value of their opinions, maybe.

The two most powerful things you can do:

1. Vote for the party that protects the environment 2. Work on smt that has positive climate impact

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Encourage other people (especially if you're in a developing country) not to have too many children. The absolutely unsustainable population levels worldwide are behind the climate and pollution crises. We are an incredibly destructive species to the planet. All countries, developing and developed are part of the problem. Not only that the overcrowding and fighting over limited resources causes psychosocial stress, w…

Birth rates decline pretty proportionally to economic development, arriving at well below replacement levels in highly developed countries. In light of this, it seems misguided to expend energy personally convincing people to have less children, when we could just focus on bringing more people up to the western standard of living that, apparently, organically makes having many kids mostly unappealing. Less charitably…

> Less charitably, this is the kind of advice that mostly seems like an excuse to preach at people.

No, I just picked it as a random example of something that you can do to reduce population growth. Widespread access to birth control in developing countries would be a better solution. Supposedly educating girls in developing countries also helps reduce population growth as well. And there are probably countless other things you can do.

They also have traditions in many developing countries to have very large families.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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We need a phase transition in our thinking about climate change, because our current way of thinking is taking us nowhere.

- All human activities, in different degrees, contribute to climate change. Don't believe me? Say that you bike to the office everyday. You enjoy your commute, you never develop a heart condition, and in the course of your long prosperous life you have three kids and nine grandchildren, own several dogs and get a bigger house. In other words, your climate footprint all of the sudden is greater than if you had used a polluting car and died of a heart attack when you turned forty.

By definition, humanity thriving means humanity growing, and with that its footprint on the entire planet.

- But in the aggregate, humanity is what we are. There is a price to pay for climbing that hill, but there is an even greater price for not climbing it. Critters in the Serengeti don't compose poetry, nor make Youtube videos; they are too busy surviving. So are people in places where material scarcity reigns supreme. My father, who never wanted to leave his homeland, is dying at home, and my mother won't hire a nurse not for lack of money, but because she doesn't trust that young people will work for just the money and won't rob them blind.

We have the knowledge, the technology and the means to live in domes in the vast deserts of this planet, to go to the moon or to live in space habitats anywhere in the solar system.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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I live in the south of france, and I really need to move to a cooler region in france. Summer are very long, nights are hot, makes it hard to sleep well. I don't have enough money to install AC. Mobile AC is too noisy. I have been postponing for 4 years now. I am reading The Ministry Of The Future, it's a great book. India will be the first to suffer from this.

Which part? I'm moving to Nice soon and wondering how it will be. Many of my friends still don't have AC.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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You are right. Americans will be fine. We’ve got enough money to fortify cities from rising waters. Well maybe not some poor areas. But we’ve never cared about the poors, so they can suffer.

The border will be where the American crisis exists. Droughts will cause the poor and hungry to flee their homes. We’ll see a refugee crisis at the border that makes today look tiny.

Oh and refugee crisis’ that are left unsolved lead to criminal activities. So we are likely to see a resurgence of ISIS. If we are really unlucky we’ll see a few strong men take over power in these countries. Combine both and we’ll have regional conflicts. Maybe some of those will bleed over to terrorism in the US.

But yeh, you are right for Americans it isn’t an existential crisis. For millions of others however it will be.

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