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I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by chasd00 »

askonomm wrote: post #519
hrududuu wrote: post #504

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Meh, you can come up with twenty different methodologies and they all point to coming out way way behind in Finland. SF -> Finland immigrant, took approximately 70% pay cut, and enjoying the 80% marginal tax rate. The health of democracy is way better than the US at least.

Consumer prices are 35% lower in Finland, rent prices are 70% lower in Finland, when comparing to SF.

> Consumer prices are 35% lower in Finland, rent prices are 70% lower in Finland, when comparing to SF.

When comparing to SF, 90% of the planet is that much more affordable. Sheesh there’s more to the world than the plight of San Francisco.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by SomeoneFromCA »

Geee wrote: post #522
naasking wrote: post #489

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This is naive. It's not the absolute temperature that's the problem, it's the rate of change. Temperature is going to change faster than most species can adapt, and that's why the food chain could collapse in the worst case.

That's true, but I think it's quite debatable what would actually happen. Most species wouldn't need to adapt, but just migrate. There are a lot of species which already thrive in warm / tropical climates, and those species would increase in numbers.

This all will absolutely disrupt agriculture and food chains. Also humans are political creatures which cannot easily migrate. These migrations usually end up with things, called wars.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by ImHereToVote »

krastanov wrote: post #596
ImHereToVote wrote: post #587

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How much greenhouse emissions does wildlife produce?

Good question! Surprisingly, very little: Livestock make up 62% of the world’s mammal biomass; humans account for 34%; and wild mammals are just 4%. https://ourworldindata.org/wild-mammals-birds-biomass And add to that the fact that cow flatulence is very rich in methane (much more potent greenhouse gas than CO2) because of poor diet in industrial agriculture.

Thanks for the data. Fantastic reply.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by HankB99 »

ejb999 wrote: post #553
tappaseater wrote: post #470

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I always tell my gun-hoarding, go-box toting, bug-out planning prepper friends the same thing. You don't have enough guns and ammo to stop the masses coming for your canned pork'n'beans.

they don't have to stop the hordes, they just need to make sure the hordes know that their are easier places to forage than yours.

I wonder how long that strategy will work. Eventually society will reach a new "equilibrium" but how many less defended societies will succumb to the starving hordes before that happens.

I quote "equilibrium" because social structures never stop changing. What I mean is a relatively stable situation where most of the world is not invading the rest of the world. Our present situation is that the larger portion of the population is not invading the rest, though the present trend seems to be in the wrong direction.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by matt-attack »

throw_pm23 wrote: post #480
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #435

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Finland has a nasty neighbor.

Please don't talk like that about Sweden. They are bad, but don't quite deserve this.

What’s wrong with Sweden? I thought they were generally regarded as a sane well run country. Has that changed?

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by abenga »

Vecr wrote: post #162

What country is going to take the hit and start the high altitude sulfur spraying? If we even could get the forcing back to what it already was in the recent past that would be a great help.

So, replace the slow-crash problem with a more immediately visible acid rain one?

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by ajross »

pk-protect-ai wrote: post #426
slibhb wrote: post #398

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The IPCC 6 says "It is very unlikely that gas clathrates (mostly methane) in deeper terrestrial permafrost and subsea clathrates will lead to a detectable departure from the emissions trajectory during this century". Your pessimism may be trendy but it isn't supported by the bear available evidence.

Don't misunderstand me here. I'd rather be wrong regarding my "doomism," and I no longer worry about climate change; it doesn't make sense to worry about something that can't be changed. However, I observe that people aren't scared enough to take action. They continue to dance around the issue in political euphoria. The changes to our lifestyle are happening too slowly to be effective. The gas and oil industry is doi…

> I observe that people aren't scared enough to take action. They continue to dance around the issue in political euphoria. The changes to our lifestyle are happening too slowly to be effective.

These are all reasonable observations, but they don't remotely substantiate "The chances of humanity surviving are incredibly slim, IMO."

Just tone down the hyperbole. No serious informed science exists to predict human extinction, though lots of ecosystems and most large wild animals are at high risk.

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Post by lukan »

zb3 wrote: post #586
lukan wrote: post #557

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Sorry, but that sounds like a starting a suicide cult. Life will go on.

How was my comment related to suicide? I was talking about the process that will take place - and since it will - then at THAT time it still shouldn't be painful. Life might or might not go on, but I don't see any reason to make our lives more miserable just to make sure even more people can experience those miserable lives. That's why I don't care about preserving resources or living conditions for "future generatio…

"because I'll die anyway. What remains now is to make that process as painless as possible"

The most efficient way to achieve it, would be a overdose of pain killers.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by noobermin »

hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #328

I never worried particularly much about climate change, but just to hedge my bets for my kids I moved to northern Europe. For the most part it's just equated to milder (= bearable) Winters and nicer summers up here. I guess we also spend a fair bit on moving to renewables up here - Finland achieved energy self sufficiency last year thanks to a good combination of nuclear + solar + hydro. If I were an ideologue in eit…

Viable as long as you're white I suppose.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by MPSimmons »

tsukikage wrote: post #591
MPSimmons wrote: post #515

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Try listening to what they were saying. It's a skit, but with some biting truth.

What's the biting truth?

That scientists have been telling policy makers for decades, and by the time they're taken seriously, it's going to be way too late.
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